1988 BMW M5 ONE ONWER 92K MILES

[86GT635]

I once bought a car that the previous owner bought from the original owner... 7 or 8 years prior. He never did the paperwork. I did. I am technically the second owner. I still own the car. Second owner of a sub 100k mile 30 year old car. Feels good man.


Would it bother me if I was the umpteenth owner of the same car? Not one bit. I've seen a hell of a lot worse with cars that had owners taking their cars to shops with the lowest estimate for the price of work, and that's the problem. Condition is everything.

Incorrect. You are "technically" the third owner. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around? As far as the paper trail goes, only 2 people have legally possessed the car in the eyes of the government (as if that matters), but when it comes to owning a car with respect to its stewardship you are the third person in line. As far as you know...

You're right. But, as far as the third owner, if there ever was one; no matter the due diligence of them- their ownership would be third. It's not hard for me to wrap my head around at all.

Same as the car above.. If the buyer of the vehicle has no intellect of the "curb stomper" then they are technically the second owner. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?

[russellrh72]

So the previous owner had the car for 7 or 8 years and didn't do the paperwork? Am I understanding that correctly? If so then he "owned" the shit out of that thing!! Regardless of what the paper trail says.

[ahab]

Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?

The only thing I have trouble comprehending is why someone would try to fool themselves and others into believing such an untruth to be true, here of all places. Most of us are less concerned with a piece of paper and care more about the facts surrounding the physical provenance of a vehicle. Obfuscating your "ownership" by claiming that the vehicle has only had one owner after making substantial changes to its appearance and condition is outright lying. I'm not saying the car itself isn't being honestly represented as the sum of its nuts and bolts, but the person selling the car in this case is not the original owner and it is not a "one owner car". Plain and simple. Please tell me I'm wrong. Further, we're not discussing any particular car you own or what you plan to do with it, this discussion is about the OP's claim that he's selling a one-owner car after going through it and changing major components.

If the buyer of the vehicle has no intellect of the "curb stomper" then they are technically the second owner.

Sorry, also incorrect. The buyer may believe themselves to be the second owner however anyone with that intellect knows it to be untrue. Just because you don't know something doesn't automatically render it true or untrue, the laws of nature don't work that way. I personally don't care how many titled owners there are, I care how many other people have been a major decision maker over the life of the vehicle. AKA ownership.

Suffice it to say that some of us think it's ok to present their version of reality as the only one, when in fact another reality exists. I disagree. A piece of government-issued paper does not constitute reality to me.

[86GT635]

Key word in today's lesson. Juxtaposition.

Let the accused seller know that he is inherently possessing a vehicle. "Possession is 9/10 of the law". Does it make it right, wrong? Law says no. Logic says 50/50, 99%, 1% or however strong your zodiac symbol has for your future.

When you carfax a vehicle, how many owners does it say? How many people curb stomped the car?

Without any history based on word, the history is not actually what it is.

Nobody knows.

It's not up to the seller (and apparently he's forthcoming with the information) to make that call. This is a discretionary point of view.

[ahab]

This is not a discussion over Carfax reports. This is not about how many other people may have curb-stomped this or any other car out there. This conversation relates to statements made by the OP which are inaccurate in all reasonable and logical interpretations of the word "owner", especially when it relates to classic car stewardship and modifications to what was previously received as in original owner condition. For better or worse. Had the OP simply stated that there has been only one legal owner of the car in that sense of the word and it is not he, (and ironically implicated himself as one who is OK operating outside the law in the same sentence) then perhaps this discussion wouldn't be taking place. It's not about juxtaposition or astrology at all, it's about reality, and honesty when you boil it all down. Someone at some point will be on the receiving end of a dishonest transaction with regard to the true history of this car, which is being intentionally cloaked to that end.

Will this mean a hill of beans in 10, 20 or 30 years? Perhaps not. But one thing is certain, this car has already had two owners and is on its way to a third, maybe.

[travisj]

Fuck it, I will be the 2nd owner for $3.50, but I will call myself the 3rd owner as soon as I take possession.

-- Added Sep 13, 2018 6:36 PM --

Simple, I bought the car from the origami owner and never transferred it to my name. I have been restoring it since I bought it, thus never needed a tag. I was planning on selling my mcoupe and keeping the m5.

I would be happy to go to dmv and get it titled to me. I figure it would be more attractive to a buyer to be the true second owner.

Thanks,

Larry

Wait, the first owner was just a piece of paper?

[tig]

I once bought a car that the previous owner bought from the original owner... 7 or 8 years prior. He never did the paperwork. I did. I am technically the second owner. I still own the car. Second owner of a sub 100k mile 30 year old car. Feels good man.


Would it bother me if I was the umpteenth owner of the same car? Not one bit. I've seen a hell of a lot worse with cars that had owners taking their cars to shops with the lowest estimate for the price of work, and that's the problem. Condition is everything.

Incorrect. You are "technically" the third owner. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around? As far as the paper trail goes, only 2 people have legally possessed the car in the eyes of the government (as if that matters), but when it comes to owning a car with respect to its stewardship you are the third person in line. As far as you know...

You're right. But, as far as the third owner, if there ever was one; no matter the due diligence of them- their ownership would be third. It's not hard for me to wrap my head around at all.

Same as the car above.. If the buyer of the vehicle has no intellect of the "curb stomper" then they are technically the second owner. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?

You are being dishonest. You are the third owner. Period.

If you don't believe you are being dishonest, then please take the challenge I have previously offered to two others above in this thread: Post the VIN of your "two owner" car here in this thread.

But you won't take that challenge because you know that if you do, your lie will be exposed. Any buyer who does a Google search of the VIN will find this thread and they'll see that it, in fact, is a three owner car being misrepresented as a two owner car.

[freedspeak]

Fuck it, I will be the 2nd owner for $3.50, but I will call myself the 3rd owner as soon as I take possession.

-- Added Sep 13, 2018 6:36 PM --

Simple, I bought the car from the origami owner ....

Wait, the first owner was just a piece of paper?

I took that to mean the first owner was also a well known icon in the high stakes underground world of meticulously folded paper artwork..aka "the origami owner'..(could be a batman villain too)

I bet he would agree it's a 2 owner...lol

[Ljpviper]

Thanks for all the comments, decided on keeping the car. Now that's it's sorted, it came out nicer than expected.

[SeattleGuy]

isnt title skipping a crime because the government never got to reach their hand in your pockets over it?
better decriminalize yourself before the IRS starts poking around mye28

Ha-ha yah the government doesn't give a shit about banks and the mortgage industry doing it with your note/deed of trust/mortgage but if you do it... there could be hell to pay in typical government fashion.

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Seriously I did it once by accident with a guy coming to buy a car from me the day after I got it in partial trade for a motorcycle and had not transferred the title into my name. I was like, oh, it's ok no biggie..... well it almost came back to bite me when come to find out the PO had taken the car -- truly a one owner car -- to get fluids flushed and the idiots at Shoreline Grease Monkey did not put the oil plug in solid... so it leaked out on the owner I sold it to. Dangerous territory even if well-intentioned.

FWIW Maxine is technically a three-owner car. The guy bought it in Europe. He gave it to his daughter before he passed on so there was a title transfer. She sold it to me. So it's a two-family car and I'm the second family but she is indeed a THREE OWNER CAR.

Ciao.

[tig]

Thanks for all the comments, decided on keeping the car. Now that's it's sorted, it came out nicer than expected.

So you're not going to accept my challenge? Seems if you're keeping there's even less reason for you not to post the VIN here.

[Kenny Blankenship]

Thanks for all the comments, decided on keeping the car. Now that's it's sorted, it came out nicer than expected.

So you sold the M Coupe? Or did you find some space to store the M5 after all?

Did I miss those "extensive pictures" that were to be posted last week?

[garageboy]

Thanks for all the comments, decided on keeping the car. Now that's it's sorted, it came out nicer than expected.

Noooooooooooooo. I read this entire fucking thread just for the fucking photos!!! And now you're telling us you're full of shit??

Well, now that the 2nd owner (who really knows? At this point I figure it's a rebuilt wreck) has proven himself to be a total fucking asshole...

Thank you, Mr. Kohler, for pointing out a very simple and true fact -- it's a 2-owner car -- and exposing this idiocy for what it was.

Here is the teachable moment (I should probably add it to http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=123029): When one is attempting to find an E28 to purchase, it turns out that the seller is just as important of an aspect of the vehicle as the vehicle itself. Some will retort: "It doesn't matter at all. All that matters is the condition of the car." But that's the rub. If they're lying to you about this, then they might be lying to you about that, too. Once an owner has proven him/herself to be dishonest, then you have to question everything, which is a drag, because it adds time and attention. And people like that? They don't have beautiful cars. They have cars with "stories" and other explanations and bullshit that make you want to kick yourself for wasting your time with them and their shitbucket. The best seller is an anal-retentive OCD freak, that has hopefully saved every record since the car was new (ask me how I know). They may seem a little annoying during the sale, but they're honest as the day is long. And probably tell you more than you wanted or needed to know.

This guy's just a douche. And mark my words. Unless he was just trolling, he'll be back. This car, if it's real, will be back.

[Ljpviper]

Sorry if I caused a stink, my account won't let me post photos. The car is real trust me, it's been a long road to get it sorted and still not done(close). You can pm me I can send photos to someone that can post them on the thread.

My mistake for saying one owner, I was transparent about it from the beginning. Here is the VIN WBSDC9300J2875098. The car was basically sitting in a garage for years.

[tig]

Sorry if I caused a stink, my account won't let me post photos. The car is real trust me, it's been a long road to get it sorted and still not done(close). You can pm me I can send photos to someone that can post them on the thread.

My mistake for saying one owner, I was transparent about it from the beginning. Here is the VIN WBSDC9300J2875098. The car was basically sitting in a garage for years.

Right on. At least for me, you have proven to be a class act. You realized you weren't thinking quite right, you listened, and you came clean. Too bad more folks are not like you.

Note this thread spun out of control, not because of you, but because others tried to defend you. At least that's how I see it.

Here's the deets on your car, BTW:



Here's a FAQ on how to post pics here. You have to use an external service:

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=147488

[kjoseph270]

Awesome thread, haven't had this much fun reading the forum in a while lol. In other news, my M5 is still for sale. I am the 4th owner, legit.

[wem2697]

Dudes....

How about a price and some pictures!

Has it been accepted by BaT?

Walter

[Ljpviper]

Been driving the car. Turned out really nice. I guess I would sell for the right number,pm your email. I will send pics.



Thanks,

Larry

[garageboy]

Definition of "troll":

Been driving the car. Turned out really nice. I guess I would sell for the right number,pm your email. I will send pics.

[Ljpviper]

Don't know what your problem is garage boy I will be happy to send you pics. I have had an M Coupe since 1999.

No trolling here I was just praising to my friends how nice these E-28 M 5s are. They feel like 4 door aircooled 911's in build quality. Oh sorry you probably never owned one so never mind.