Once again - my post got moved.

[Philo]

You beemter (or whatever you call yourselves) post police weenies are really pissing me off Why did my H1 light post get moved ? There is a four page post in General Conversation talking about an S54 swap.. how is my question on converting headlights any different ?

Also.., you once again failed to connect the page that you moved my post to. Show an e28 brother some love at least. COME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm calling out all members to speak up now and join the revolt against the beemsters. Who else among us has been abused and informationally suppressed by this group of thugs. Revolt - Revolt - Revolt.

OK.., so let me have it with your logic as to why you moved my post. I CAN'T wait to hear it. Flame away. I have a 2 hour LA commute and can use the entertainment when i get home.

[Das_Prachtstrasse]

[Karl Grau]

Revolt - Revolt - Revolt.

I dunno, the last time we revolted it got pretty ugly.
(BTW, if anyone found a helmet, please PM me)

[Jeremy]

Philo -

Pretty simple really. You've been asked, repeatedly and politely, by multiple Beamters, to stop posting your tech questions in general conversation. You apologized at the time and said you would stop doing so.

You continued to do so.

You were warned again, and told that if you continued posting tech questions in the wrong place, they would be removed as opposed to moved as punishment for intentionally causing us extra hassles.

You continued doing it anyway.

As far as: "Who else among us has been abused and informationally suppressed by this group of thugs?" is concerned ... the answer is nobody. You're the only person we've had who adamantly refuses to post their questions in the proper forum on a continuous basis.

Somehow though, you continue to not get it. Don't act so surprised by all this, it's not as if it came out of nowhere. You've been pushing your luck since at least February.

Jeremy

[Brian D]

So was the thread completely deleted? If so could you please post it again Philo, it had some good info. Please put it in the tech forum.

If it was deleted, why? It had info that was directly related to our cars, and seemed very helpful. It was definitely more helpful than a post about Tigers, for instance.

[Mike W.]

Phil, it's no biggie to me, although it does promote a certain order to things, but to some of the guys, Beamters mostly, who are just volunteers, it's a big deal. Right or wrong, you're not going to win this one. Just repost it in Tech Talk and grumble under your breath.

[Philo]

Since I have an hour to kill waiting for my daughter to get out of ballet class I figured I would ... screw it, let's get into it.

I think I made the weenie beemters gun shy with all my tech posts in the General Conversation section. It seems like every other of my posts now is being moved/deleted. I mean really, read my post, this isn't a technical discussion about doing a clutch job, or how to properly flush your brake fluid, it's a post about "hey, what do ya think.., will this do-dad make my car better ?" Beemters gone wild in my opinion.

So the S54 swap post I read sounds pretty technical to me. And parallel in concept to my post. Read for yourself. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=23713

Here's one on painting your car http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=97529 I don't think it belongs in the tech forum but what's the difference between getting opinions from members about painting, how well it looks, how long it lasted and if people have ever heard of upgrading from H1/H4 to a newer headlight system. Paint, lights, tires.., what's the difference.

Here's one about putting an e24 roof rack on an e28. Agree, it should not be in Tech Talk. So Cleeve is thinking about upgrading his roof rack from another model. And I'm thinking about updating my lights and want opinions from members. Roof rack - headlamps... WTF is the difference. Now, if I needed to know which way to turn the screw to get the light off.., now that's a tech question !

Now here's one on wheels http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=97540.. and the question is about getting non standard fitment to work on an e28... sounds pretty technical to me. But still agree that this post should NOT be in Tech Talk. But, if he needed to know the best procedure for removing the wheels.. Technical ! Move the bastard to Tech Talk.

Shall I go on.....

Here's one about headlamps - http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=92 ... =headlamps. Pretty F***ing close in general to my post. I mean.., someone suggested I put these lights on my car rather then H1/H4 lamps.., and want to know what do you guy think. Almost identical.

Ho hum..., 40 minutes to go till ballet gets out.

Here's another one by the same poster above.. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=92 ... =headlamps Spot on the money as my post. Bastards

Oh wait.., I know.., I'll post about AR shit and then in-thread talk about engine swaps. I know.., I'm getting silly now.

wait.., need to take a phone call from the wife....

Ok, back at it... Here's another one in general conversation on converting headlights.. isn't that what my post is about ? Double Bastards

Getting bore with this now. Don't you guys have anything better to do then police content that's on the fringe of "I love my car.., don't you" and "hey guys.., what do you think about putting some of these on"....

Time to put it to the people and take a poll. The Philo Post Revolt 2011.

[Jeremy]

What goes in Tech Talk?

"E28 technical advice asked and given"

I thought it was pretty self explanatory, but I guess you need your hand held, so here are some pointers. The engine swap thread talked about motors and transmissions that don't fit, didn't come in, and/or aren't ever found in e28s. Therefore, though technical, I'd consider borderline for correct placement. It was ok where it started, no compelling reason to move it.

The wheels won't fit an e28 due to offset, don't have an e28 bore, or e28 bolt spacing. How, exactly, do you figure that's e28 tech?

Bavaria headlights? Do I really need to point out that Bavaria headlights aren't found on an e28?

The other headlight post I'll concede. It belongs in Tech (where it now resides). Sometimes, we do miss a thread that needs to be moved if it isn't brought to our direct attention. We don't actually read every single post and every single thread on the board. Sometimes, members bring threads that need to be moved to our attention. Sometimes, we stumble upon them ourselves. Thankfully, moving threads is something that isn't necessary very often, except when you post.

You went pretty far back to find your "examples of intransigence", Philo. Now it's my turn.

Please explain how a thread concerning starter noise in an M5 is general conversation material. Please also explain how a thread regarding front trans seal replacement on a G280 is general conversation material. Please explain why every single thread you start regarding a technical, directly e28 related matter, is posted in General Conversation when it clearly shouldn't be, or posted in the M5 section even if the question isn't M5 specific.

We work to maintain some semblance of order as to where things get posted. It's for the sake of those that come after you, so the archives are searchable in a logical fashion. You are purposely and intentionally working against our efforts in that regard, you have admitted as much privately via PM.

You know where the thread is supposed to go, you just refuse to do so. You were made aware of the consequences should you continue in that pattern.

Now, finally, we seem to have your attention. Will you please, for the sake of everyone's sanity, just post your threads in the section that you know is appropriate for the content? Don't make me quote the PMs to prove your willfulness regarding your posting behavior. I might be forced to do so if you continue to stomp around and throw a tantrum like a petulant child, accusing us of some kind of impropriety. I'm hoping it won't come to that.

Jeremy

[Jeremy]

Y'know, I had a feeling we'd been over this ground recently. Turns out, we have.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=919747

[Philo]

Bavaria headlights? Do I really need to point out that Bavaria headlights aren't found on an e28?

Thanks for making my point. The upgrade for the H1/H4 lights are not found on the e28 either. Did you read my original post ? Or just the post subject and then decided to delete the post. By the way, it says the post was moved but looks like it was deleted.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=97587

[Jeremy]

Upgraded headlights are common on e28s, Bavaria headlights are not. Yes, I did read the post. Do you not consider your M5 to be an e28?

[Shawn D.]

By the way, it says the post was moved but looks like it was deleted.

As with the rest of this, that has been explained to you before. Follow the link where Jeremy says "... we'd been over this ground recently..." above and you'll see this:

Yah, old habits die hard.... At least connect the redirect though.

Now do you remember my threat to trash tech posts you put in General Conversation? I've been intentionally leaving a dead link for you instead of unchecking "Leave shadow topic in old forum."

Remember now? It's been intentional.

[Philo]

Yes., but the post in question is not tech. It's a question to the group if anyone has heard of the headlamp conversion Daniel Stern Lighting recommends. Sure.., in the past I'm guilty of posting tech related stuff in the GC. But I maintain that my recent post was dumped based on subject wording alone.

The information I posted from Daniel Stern is not e28 content specific and no more technical in nature that posts I've seen in GC regarding paint, euro conversions, wheels, engine swaps, etc..

The fact that I've posted tech related content in the GC in the past has nothing to do with the content of the recent post and it being deleted. If it does then I'm being singled out and I do take issue with that.

Again.., read the content of my post. There is useful information that is general in nature and deals with a lighting trend that exists elsewhere in the auto world that might be helpful to mye28 group.

Upgraded headlights are common on e28s, Bavaria headlights are not. Yes, I did read the post. Do you not consider your M5 to be an e28?

Now you're being silly. Yes.., my M5 is an e28.., so what's your point. The bottom line is 5.75" headlamps have been used on hundreds if not thousands of car models of various marks over the last 40 years. Pretty general and non e28 specific if you ask me. The post in question also discusses a parking light which is a new twist for us I feel..

The BiFocal low beams incorporate a European-style "city
light" parking lamp. This is a small 5w bulb ($4.24/ea) that
sticks through the lamp's reflector into the lamp itself, a
couple of inches away from the main headlight bulb, via a
socket and grommet. "City light" is a common casual term for
this. The official European/international term is "front
position lamp". North American terminology calls them
"parking lamps".

This is just as unique and non specific e28 related as you can get. Just like trying to mount Bavaria headlamps.

How about I post again with the subject.. "saw this online and wanted everyone's opinion" or "here's a possible great idea for better visibility at night" Are these subjects general enough for you guys. I think the word upgrade causes Beemters to turn both keys and push the red button.

[wkohler]

Not a new twist for anyone. City lights have been around forever.

[Philo]

Not a new twist for anyone. City lights have been around forever.

On e28s ? Who has them ?

Now.., this is what I'm after. Kholer gave an awesome reply and is what I'm after and why I posted. BTW, there is additional information in my deleted post.., will the GC group ever see it ?

[wkohler]

Everyone that has Euro headlamps have them, as does everyone with a Euro E12, E21, E23, E24, E30, E32, E34. You can buy the Euro E12 lamps from BMW, which are all H1s, have the city lights and are 5.25".

That said, the city light is only 5w at most, and does not help you see better. In fact there haven't been many scenarios I've used the ones in my M535. To me, it's not worth the extra cost over the standard H4, H1 drop in units.

[Jeremy]

Yes., but the post in question is not tech. It's a question to the group if anyone has heard of the headlamp conversion Daniel Stern Lighting recommends.

The info you were seeking was if anyone had heard of or done this conversion on an e28.

Sure.., in the past I'm guilty of posting tech related stuff in the GC. But I maintain that my recent post was dumped based on subject wording alone.

Actually, it was based on the body of the post.

Again.., read the content of my post. There is useful information that is general in nature and deals with a lighting trend that exists elsewhere in the auto world that might be helpful to mye28 group.

So, again, you're talking about e28 specific lighting upgrades. You just admitted as much. You didn't ask about it in a general sense, you asked from a perspective of its applicability to an e28.

The bottom line is 5.75" headlamps have been used on hundreds if not thousands of car models of various marks over the last 40 years. Pretty general and non e28 specific if you ask me. The post in question also discusses a parking light which is a new twist for us I feel.

As Chris pointed out, city lights are not new at all, and they've been discussed in other threads in Tech Talk and on the web at large. While H4s have certainly been used on tons of cars, you were asking about lights on a very specific car, an e28 M5.

In any case, I got tired of waiting for you to post the poll that you kept threatening, so I went ahead and did it for you.

It can be found here: http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=97612

[ahab]

In reference to the poll...

The initial discussion from Daniel Stern about the H1s is of a technical nature for sure, and there are lots and lots of numbers in it. But from Phil's perspective, I believe he intended to start a conversation to discuss the merits of using these BiFocal lamps, NOT discussing the technical aspects of implementing the modification and this was the basis of his complaint. IE, rerouting pin 87a to a ring terminal on the hot post, etc. I think that's where the confusion came about. Does it belong it Tech Talk, yeah. It's a discussion about the performance of equipment on the car, no matter how casual of a conversation it was intended to be.


Edit: Jesus, did I just post in the wrong Forum too? Jeremy asked us not to post in the poll but now I see everyone is. Fucking anarchy all up in this bitch.

[Philo]

As Chris pointed out, city lights are not new at all, and they've been discussed in other threads in Tech Talk and on the web at large. While H4s have certainly been used on tons of cars, you were asking about lights on a very specific car, an e28 M5.

In any case, I got tired of waiting for you to post the poll that you kept threatening, so I went ahead and did it for you.

It can be found here: http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=97612

I was not asking a question specific to the e28. And certainly not specific to the M5. I don't know why you keep trying to establish my position as being from the M5 side. There might have been a member that installed these hybrid Hella lights on some other car they own..., and willing to share their experience.

I could have posted that comment on any other automotive forum that used the 5.75" headlamp bucket at some point in time. And confident the post wouldn't have been so hastily relegated to another area.

Ah yes.., the poll. I didn't know I had a time frame to post the poll by. Actually.., I was holding off because I felt that any new post might be misconstrued as a personal attack on board members. Nice Poll title by the way.., sounds like I'm a whining brat which I can be at times. I think the Poll introduction is incomplete and not really fair to my position on this debate. You should first list my original subject, then list what is the criteria for General Conversation vs. Tech.., then open the poll to the group. I sense a slight lack of respect with the intro of.. Philo Gets His Wish Poll...

I'm tired of playing one-up-manship with Jeremy. I guess I hit a cord with my weenie beemter comment. Or maybe it was the gun post. Which by the way got like 20 comments in a very short period of time and no one caught on that it was a fucking joke.... Amazing, if we put AR content up.., or how my dog barfed disco blue chunks.. it stays in GC. Isn't GC suppose to be General **Automotive** Conversation ? If it's not then everything car related in GC needs to be moved to Tech. My dog barfing and AR crap belongs in a Forum Lounge.

In my opinion what belongs in Tech is exactly that, things automotive related that deals specifically with the deeper technical side our model..., maybe technical notes on installation issues, voltage considerations, etc.. and not a question to the group about if they ever heard about this upgrade. even though there was a ton of technical detail from Daniel Stern.., but all relative to the discussion.

[wkohler]

I think the fact you posted a completely fake topic under the guise of actually seeking help of those who know better is far more ridiculous than the number of replies the topic received. "You" asked for assistance, and you got it. That's horrible, I know.

Lots of different people here - different backgrounds, expertise, etc, all with a common bond that happens to be a type of car. It was quite disrespectful to the respondents, I have to say.

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The Beamters are here to help ensure this site runs as it should. They are not getting paid for their duties and the idea is to ensure that the topics discussed are organized properly for future retrieval.

Conversations evolve, and your post was more than likely to evolve into a technical conversation than a "heh heh, i like lights" conversation.

[Jeremy]

I was not asking a question specific to the e28. And certainly not specific to the M5. I don't know why you keep trying to establish my position as being from the M5 side.

Actually, my position all along has been that your post is an e28 specific question, the M5 part just happens to be the specific vehicle you're asking about. Since you don't see how I could come to such a conclusion, let me use quotes from your original post.

Hi, I have some Cibe flat lens lights on my BMW 88M5 that
>> need replacing but not sure what to order.

That's right in the beginning. You were asking Daniel Stern about lighting for your e28, and what followed was his recommendation for that specific platform at this point in time.

There's a minor/easy mod required to keep the low beams lit
when high beam is activated: Open the fuse box and remove
high beam relay K3. Examine it carefully --
there should be a circuit diagram on its top or side, and
even if not the
pins should be labelled.

If you see a terminal labelled "87a", follow this first set
of directions:

Access the wires that go to the various socket slots in the
fuse/relay
box. Take the wire out of the K3/87a socket slot and, after
clipping the
end off and crimping a ring terminal on the end, bolt it to
the very
convenient hot (+12V) post in the fuse box. This puts
unswitched power on
terminal 30 of the low beam relay K4 as required.

If you do NOT see a terminal labelled "87a" on relay K3,
follow this
second set of directions:

Find the wire (usually white/red) that goes between K3/87
and K4/85. Cut
this wire as close as possible to K3/87. Reroute the wire so
that it goes
from K4/85 to ground.

Unless all automobiles are suddenly using an e28 fuse box, relays, and wiring setup this information is also very specific to the e28, and not "general automotive".

So, while the question you were trying to ask I guess may not have been e28 specific, most of the information you posted sure was. You'll have to excuse me, I suppose, for not being a mind reader and reading what you posted instead of interpreting the intent behind the posting. We're doing poetry in my lit class right now, and I can tell you that reading between the lines to see the author's intent is really not among my strengths.

I read what was written, and based my opinion on that alone. If you intended it to be taken otherwise, you should have constructed the post differently.

Jeremy