Franconia and NH AG face scrutiny in KingCast court decision

[option00002]

Put down the popcorn, drive north for an hour, and smack him upside the head ...

I'll look for the ether cloud.

[KingCast]

I think we should create a new subject line acronym "Way Way Off Medication" ( WWOM)!

What the Hell?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. The Mayor, some city Aldermen and others on the board may disagree, however, and have said as much and I value their opinions more than yours. You know, opinions being like..... noses. You smell something you don't like and you can move on. Other's might like a taste of it so they keep reading. That's the beauty of the First Amendment in America, and parallel statutes globally. 8)

Unfortunately, the First Amendment also exposes those like Dave and me who COULDN'T GIVE A FLYING DAMN about it to your fervent campaign for justice (or whatever it is). It makes absolutely no difference to us in either Wisconsin or California.

And guess what: If you don't like the thread guess what: You don't have to read it.

You know what? I tried. I really did. I wanted to be interested in something that showed up in my favorite online forum because I figure I might someday meet and get along with you because we happen to like E28s. But I did not, and I do not, plan to spend half a day reading your bloviations about a situation that has less effect on my life than the phases of the moon. The last time I heard stuff like this was when I was doing civil commitment defense work back in Akron, Ohio, and one of my clients sounded exactly like you do now. A bunch of name-dropping and righteous indignation over perceived violations of constitutional rights. Sadly, he was fuckin' nuts and the best thing I could do for him was to see that he got the best medications and treatment available. At the moment, I see no reason to believe you are significantly different.

This is not your forum; it is our forum. If you wish to remain here unmolested, you will find a way to become relevant to us and to our interests (which to your disappointment, will pretty much end at the borders of New Hampshire). Otherwise, you may as well shove it ...

You sound like a very angry person in need of meds yourself. Some people on this very board liked the post and are interested. As to your allegations of name-dropping here, you need to focus more on the Constitutional findings from Judge Cyr that found people's rights were indeed violated in Fox Hill Park.

You can read the motions and decisions right here my friend:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... s-ask.html



The State of New Hampshire has covered up police brutality for years and police brutality is an issue all over America, my friend.

You want nuts? You better focus on what McKay was doing with that knife near that woman's labia.

Have a good night, and try to do something with your attitude. I really don't care much what you think, compared to the Mayor and Aldermen where I live, and others on the board who appreciate the post even if it is admittedly tangential but Liko Kenney did indeed drive an E28 and has family did indeed love BMWs; his father has an R90S.

PS: 99% of my posts on this board relate to cars only so for you to go off as you did on this "our forum not yours" bullshit is absurd.[/b]

[KingCast]

This is not your forum; it is our forum. If you wish to remain here unmolested, you will find a way to become relevant to us and to our interests (which to your disappointment, will pretty much end at the borders of New Hampshire). Otherwise, you may as well shove it ...

There was a post here about JCPenney's catalog.

Had zero to do with cars.

F*cking Zero.

The Kenneys were a pro BMW family and he owned an E28.

So you're just content-hating unless or until you start bitching about other posts that have absolutely nothing to do with this forum. Who died and made you the Pope of the E28 Board?

Busted.

[option00002]

Kingcast,

I believe what C.R (and others) are suggesting is perhaps this is not the suitable venue for your ongoing rhetoric and diatribe. While clearly important to you it is microcosmic to the majority of the board, yet seems to be taking on a life of its/your own. You will find the majority of board participants keep their infinitesimal life practices in proper scope and corralled into more apt venues. At the very least they invest the proper time to convey their point in a clear and concise message which this thread is anything but. Clear and Concise = respect vs. Garbled ranting and Muddied = discourtesy





In any event in between all your ramblings I did read that your wife is ill with cancer. My heart goes out to you in that (and perhaps only that) regard.

-Landis

[KingCast]

Kingcast,

I believe what C.R (and others) are suggesting is perhaps this is not the suitable venue for your ongoing rhetoric and diatribe. While clearly important to you it is microcosmic to the majority of the board, yet seems to be taking on a life of its/your own. You will find the majority of board participants keep their infinitesimal life practices in proper scope and corralled into more apt venues. At the very least they invest the proper time to convey their point in a clear and concise message which this thread is anything but. Clear and Concise = respect vs. Garbled ranting and Muddied = discourtesy



In any event in between all your ramblings I did read that your wife is ill with cancer. My heart goes out to you in that (and perhaps only that) regard.

-Landis

I love this one:

While clearly important to you it is microcosmic to the majority of the board,

With that quote firmly in mind, then, how ironic is it that just today someone starts a thread about false heroes and war service, which is EXACTLY at issue in the Franconia Case.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=314084#314084

Second, I respond as follows, from a Beamter:

Justin_FL
Beamter

Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Location: South FL
Posted: Nov 14, 2007 3:25 PM Post subject:

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I started off reading the first paragraph of the post, then the ABC News article to put the crime(s) in context. The rest just fell into place after following through the scattered web of blog postings to form a mental picture of everything. Took me a while, though!

Unfortunately it was at about 2am and only half my brain was functioning, so I only looked at maybe 1/2 the info. I will certainly be interested in keeping tabs on the situation and set a few bookmarks.

I am not here to pick a fight or to endlessly promote my Civil Rights agenda. Anyone who claims that is readily refuted by reading all of my posts. I did admit that the post wandered so I apologized for it.

I note that there also was a post on Jury Duty, that is the only other time I have referenced the Franconia matter. So that post did not pertain to cars or E28's either. At bottom, I smell an ideological argument that some don't like me defending someone they perceive as a ruthless cop killer. And content-based discrimination is okay here, it is a private board, just some folks should admit that's what's going on.

Also, send your regards to Mayor Streeter, it is his wife I made dinner for because she is the one with cancer.

Peace, and if this thread doesn't suit you, then it will die in the free market or those who enjoy it will continue to do so 8)

[option00002]

I love this one:

While clearly important to you it is microcosmic to the majority of the board,

With that quote firmly in mind, then, how ironic is it that just today someone starts a thread about false heroes and war service, which is EXACTLY at issue in the Franconia Case.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=314084#314084

Second, I respond as follows, from a Beamter:

Justin_FL
Beamter

Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Location: South FL
Posted: Nov 14, 2007 3:25 PM Post subject:

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I started off reading the first paragraph of the post, then the ABC News article to put the crime(s) in context. The rest just fell into place after following through the scattered web of blog postings to form a mental picture of everything. Took me a while, though!

Unfortunately it was at about 2am and only half my brain was functioning, so I only looked at maybe 1/2 the info. I will certainly be interested in keeping tabs on the situation and set a few bookmarks.

I am not here to pick a fight or to endlessly promote my Civil Rights agenda. Anyone who claims that is readily refuted by reading all of my posts. I did admit that the post wandered so I apologized for it.

I note that there also was a post on Jury Duty, that is the only other time I have referenced the Franconia matter. So that post did not pertain to cars or E28's either. At bottom, I smell an ideological argument that some don't like me defending someone they perceive as a ruthless cop killer. And content-based discrimination is okay here, it is a private board, just some folks should admit that's what's going on.

Also, send your regards to Mayor Streeter, it is his wife I made dinner for because she is the one with cancer.

Peace, and if this thread doesn't suit you, then it will die in the free market or those who enjoy it will continue to do so 8)

Kingcast,

You can be assured this will be my last post on the matter. I certainly did not begin the day believing I would entertain your questionable position on this topic nor on our board; in fact I have up until now opted to ignore your take on this very regional case. If for no other reason than your lackluster conveyance of information and my inablility to recognize its poignant history.

Alas, I must firmly contest your sordid defense of this alleged ‘e28 owner’ on our board. If that act and course of action represents the contingent of e28 owners in any way, shape or form, then I will sell mine immediately. Should any board members care to see the final police footage, the video is readily available: Liko Kenney shoots Cpl. Bruce McKay in the back. I would argue most will be put aback by its foul nature. For days now I have watched you defend a man who chose a very distinctive path in life that caused his and an innocent man's death.

a) He chose to arm himself with a semi-automatic handgun in his vehicle (against law enforcement no less).

b) No matter how harassed, he refused the authority/direction of law enforcement on multiple occasions (again well documented on youtube-2003 arrest).

c) He elected/chose/decided/opted /selected etc. to shoot a man, an officer of the law in the back.

For the record be aware that lots of teenagers are harassed by police officers. White, Asian, Black it’s part of modern America. I myself was tortured by an officer(and rightly so in retrospect). It’s the stuff Hollywood movies are made out of for gods sake. However, the day a man decides to arm himself against a police officer in lieu of monumentally better alternatives e.g. leaving the area, consulting individuals of authority (county/state), suing said authority... I can muster little compassion. Then, on camera no less shoots an officer in the back. I think it is disgraceful. It is a disgraceful act and disgraceful to host its defense on our board. This amounts to the defense of a murderer IMO.

I find it appalling.

In the best interests of this community I suggest you drop it.

[Shawn D.]

Kingcast,

First off, let me say that I believe fervent activists such as yourself are necessary for our country and society. I believe your cause against the corruption and lies of the power structure is a worthy one. However, like many activists, your fervor tends toward zealotry. It seems to me that you see every aspect of life tinted through your activist glasses. Many of us who are sympathetic to your cause are turned away by your unnecessarily aggressive rhetoric, irrelevant correlations, and rambling and disjointed style.

You have repeatedly made reference to "military lies" and said above that "...false heroes and war service, which is EXACTLY at issue in the Franconia Case." I will agree that it is indeed an issue in the case, but IMO it is not central to how the events played out, as Floyd wasn't a player up until the very end. Both Floyd and the authorities should be condemned for how they're painting his background, but IMO you're blowing up a secondary issue to absurd proportions. As I said here, there are no military lies -- only lies by a self-aggrandizing criminal miscreant. As a veteran, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop calling this aspect "military lies." Floyd isn't the only one doing some self-aggrandizing here, though. Who was it that wrote they were "The real McCoy of 21st Century Civil Rights"?

Now, about your irrelevant correlations and activist-tinted vision. It's irrelevant that the Kenneys were BMW owners and that Liko Kenney owned an E28. Somehow, your activist-tinted vision connects a post about Steve McQueen and the movie Cars to two supposedly racial incidents. How does an incident where someone is accused of shoplifting turn racial? Because he doesn't fit your personal definition of who a black person should be and how they should think? As I see it, he just happens to be black. There are more examples, but I don't see the need to begin cataloging them all.

Your disjointedness makes it hard for folks to follow your logic even when your points are valid. Short paragraphs and posts link to other short paragraphs and posts, and so on, and so on, with many linking back in a circuitous manner or ending up at dead links. You also comment on your own blog entries in response to yourself instead of editing the post to add info. In this post, you link back to yourself when you reference the Daily Kos. The struggle against cancer is something many of us have had to deal with personally or in our family or with friends, but how is it relevant to anything here?

Also, you use the N-word or variations thereof on a multitude of your blog pages. How is that necessary or helpful? To give positive or negative emphasis, depending on the context?

You should be able to tell that I've taken in a great deal from your site. It wasn't fun, both due to the rhetoric and the organization. You should really consider rehashing your style and methods to get your story out in a better manner.

Now, tell me this -- how is it a Brutha comes to like Joy Division, Liz Phair, The Replacements, and The Smiths?

[C.R. Krieger]

Kingcast,

I believe what C.R (and others) are suggesting is perhaps this is not the suitable venue for your ongoing rhetoric and diatribe. While clearly important to you it is microcosmic to the majority of the board, yet seems to be taking on a life of its/your own. You will find the majority of board participants keep their infinitesimal life practices in proper scope and corralled into more apt venues. At the very least they invest the proper time to convey their point in a clear and concise message which this thread is anything but. Clear and Concise = respect vs. Garbled ranting and Muddied = discourtesy

Please reread the above because he said it so much better than I did.

In any event in between all your ramblings I did read that your wife is ill with cancer. My heart goes out to you in that (and perhaps only that) regard.

-Landis

Please reread this, noting that the somewhat more sympathetic option00002 couldn't even figure out what you were saying.

I love this one:

While clearly important to you it is microcosmic to the majority of the board,

If you love it, then understand it and act on it.

I did admit that the post wandered so I apologized for it.

You did? I must not have been able to discern an apology in the stuff you wrote. Either that or I lost interest or got confused before spotting it. Beginning to see a pattern here?

At bottom, I smell an ideological argument that some don't like me defending someone they perceive as a ruthless cop killer. And content-based discrimination is okay here, it is a private board, just some folks should admit that's what's going on.

Must be something wrong with your nose because I, for one, have never gotten around to figuring out exactly what the hell it is you're talking about. Somebody got killed?

Look, pal, with my background and record of legal service, I am the last one you want to try accusing of defending whoever you think it is I'm defending. The only discrimination I have against your content is that it is an incomprehensible and almost completely irrelevant (to the vast majority of us) diatribe that, as such, doesn't need to be here. While I will sometimes share a lawyer-type 'war story' here, I do it in the hope that it adds interest or information or entertainment to a thread. OTOH, you are doing this in order to garner support for your position (whatever it is) and you are looking for even the smallest hooks onto which you can hang another aspect of your (apparent) all-consuming campaign. I am somewhat surprised to see that there are some who are even more bored than I am who managed to read and understand it ...

OTOH, if you're willing to forego the shop talk and have a beer, we might actually get along.

[KingCast]

Well I first note that even another Beamter disagrees with many of you, so again opinions are like noses, as I've already said:

I (again) respond as follows, from a Beamter:

Justin_FL
Beamter

Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Location: South FL
Posted: Nov 14, 2007 3:25 PM Post subject:

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I started off reading the first paragraph of the post, then the ABC News article to put the crime(s) in context. The rest just fell into place after following through the scattered web of blog postings to form a mental picture of everything. Took me a while, though!

Unfortunately it was at about 2am and only half my brain was functioning, so I only looked at maybe 1/2 the info. I will certainly be interested in keeping tabs on the situation and set a few bookmarks.

Now then:

Kingcast,You should be able to tell that I've taken in a great deal from your site. It wasn't fun, both due to the rhetoric and the organization. You should really consider rehashing your style and methods to get your story out in a better manner.

Now, tell me this -- how is it a Brutha comes to like Joy Division, Liz Phair, The Replacements, and The Smiths?

Dear Shawn, you will not see my use the N-word since last year because it is too divisive regardless of application. And there is a method to the madness, if you look at my recent posts as we head toward trial I cull everything from the old ones and get razor sharp, same way I defeated the State with their nonsense when I was NAACP Legal Chair 2 years ago and they made a run at me for attempted felony extortion. Unbelievable even though they eventually dismissed all charges, they did that because I was ready to stand trial (we had a Jury selected and they backed away with their tails between their legs) and if I won I had a green light to sue for malicious prosecution.

Anyway, the Award says:

In recognition of his leadership role in protecting our citizens freedom of speech and right to know....

Liko did not shoot McKay in the back and McKay had his hand on his gun at the time. I know more about that situation than I'm allowed to let on to.

As far as organizational style and appeal goes, the blawg is a diary first and foremost and a legal database. The Mayor of Nashua and the people of Franconia are getting it just fine and other lawyers, including a high-powered U.S. Congressional candidate from CT -- to whom NH AG Kelly Ayotte lied in writing -- and a retired JAG Attorney are supporting me as we speak.

The latter two don't live anywhere near Franconia, BTW.

If you want to know something, just look it up with a word search and the documents will come up, JPEG'd, including the lawsuit and all of the lies that the government is hiding. Even if you think Liko Kenney is the worst thing known to man, that does not give the government the right to lie about its operations and to cover up material lies given by Floyd that bolstered his image on 5/11.

How would you feel if you knew Bruce McKay was a wife abuser? I'll give you a syllogism:

1. If you beat your wife you will do anything.

2. McKay I have it on extremely Good Faith and looking for concrete documents right now, beat his wife.

3. So when McKay bashes Liko's car with a Tahoe and OC Sprays in violation of SEVERAL policies and without any verbal command whatsoever, Liko has reasonable apprehension for his life, you bet. So right there it's not murder, it's manslaughter at best.

I'm not anti-police, I am anti-bad cop.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... s-not.html

Michael Briggs (RIP) was a true hero. Bruce McKay was not.

I worked as an AG myself for 4 years not because I hate police but because I want them to be able to do a legal and effective job. I had an officer whom I represented act as expert witness in a police abuse case I settled after winning the bogus criminal trials before an all-white jury with two white officers and a black defendant if you don't think I present the facts cogently well that's your opinion.

When 20/20 sends you an email, and Men's Journal calls you for pictures and writes a story, it ain't "regional."

Lastly, you seem to ignore the fact that the basic premise for the stop in 2003 was Unconstitutional as ALL of the Fox Hill arrests were. For some reason, I find that significant, silly me.

And I have it on Good Faith from someone whose mother went on one -- exactly one -- date with McKay that he bragged about beating Liko BEHIND HIS CAR for some reason -- Liko did not go in that direction and McKay is a photographer so he knows exactly what he's doing.

In sum, if you read the Affidavits I have from the people of Franconia you might feel differently. But then again you might not, that's life. But if you are going to disrespect me on other issues because we disagree on this issue, that shame is yours, not mine.

*************

Now as to the music let's just say I have an open mind and I like to keep it that way 8)

But since someone accused me of name dropping I can't let them down so I will say that I had the luxury of dating a former member of Gang of Four II in the reunion tour

I need a cheesburger to go!

Y'all have a great weekend, whether we agree to disagree note that I'm only discussing this in one thread and it pertains to lies about military service just as much or more than the other threat that someone else started about military lies, regardless of what kind of car someone drives.

[KingCast]

Well, I guess yes if you count this member of the Franconia Recovery and Reconciliation Committee as he wrote to the Union Leader's State Reporter Tom Fahey:

Tom,

I just got a copy of an e-mail from Chris King that he sent to you. I am pretty sure he picked up my messages to the AG’s office that were less than complimentary re their investigation. However I have been following his blog since May and it seems he is the only one in the print and electronic media , with any brass to go after the real story.

I'm all set.

[KingCast]

Well I first note that even another Beamter disagrees with many of you, so again opinions are like noses, as I've already said:

I (again) respond as follows, from a Beamter:

Justin_FL
Beamter

Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Location: South FL
Posted: Nov 14, 2007 3:25 PM Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I started off reading the first paragraph of the post, then the ABC News article to put the crime(s) in context. The rest just fell into place after following through the scattered web of blog postings to form a mental picture of everything. Took me a while, though!

Unfortunately it was at about 2am and only half my brain was functioning, so I only looked at maybe 1/2 the info. I will certainly be interested in keeping tabs on the situation and set a few bookmarks.

Now then:

Kingcast,You should be able to tell that I've taken in a great deal from your site. It wasn't fun, both due to the rhetoric and the organization. You should really consider rehashing your style and methods to get your story out in a better manner.

Now, tell me this -- how is it a Brutha comes to like Joy Division, Liz Phair, The Replacements, and The Smiths?

Dear Shawn, you will not see me use the N-word since last year because it is too divisive regardless of application. And there is a method to the madness, if you look at my recent posts as we head toward trial I cull everything from the old ones and get razor sharp, same way I defeated the State with their nonsense when I was NAACP Legal Chair 2 years ago and they made a run at me for attempted felony extortion. Unbelievable even though they eventually dismissed all charges, they did that because I was ready to stand trial (we had a Jury selected and they backed away with their tails between their legs) and if I won I had a green light to sue for malicious prosecution.

Anyway, the Award says:

In recognition of his leadership role in protecting our citizens freedom of speech and right to know....

Liko did not shoot McKay in the back and McKay had his hand on his gun at the time. I know more about that situation than I'm allowed to let on to.

As far as organizational style and appeal goes, the blawg is a diary first and foremost and a legal database. The Mayor of Nashua and the people of Franconia are getting it just fine and other lawyers, including a high-powered U.S. Congressional candidate from CT -- to whom NH AG Kelly Ayotte lied in writing -- and a retired JAG Attorney are supporting me as we speak.

The latter two don't live anywhere near Franconia, BTW.

If you want to know something, just look it up with a word search and the documents will come up, JPEG'd, including the lawsuit and all of the lies that the government is hiding. Even if you think Liko Kenney is the worst thing known to man, that does not give the government the right to lie about its operations and to cover up material lies given by Floyd that bolstered his image on 5/11.

How would you feel if you knew Bruce McKay was a wife abuser? I'll give you a syllogism:

1. If you beat your wife you will do anything.

2. McKay I have it on extremely Good Faith and looking for concrete documents right now, beat his wife.

3. So when McKay bashes Liko's car with a Tahoe and OC Sprays in violation of SEVERAL policies and without any verbal command whatsoever, Liko has reasonable apprehension for his life, you bet. So right there it's not murder, it's manslaughter at best.

I'm not anti-police, I am anti-bad cop.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... s-not.html

Michael Briggs (RIP) was a true hero. Bruce McKay was not.

I worked as an AG myself for 4 years not because I hate police but because I want them to be able to do a legal and effective job. I had an officer whom I represented act as expert witness in a police abuse case I settled after winning the bogus criminal trials before an all-white jury with two white officers and a black defendant if you don't think I present the facts cogently well that's your opinion.

When 20/20 sends you an email, and Men's Journal calls you for pictures and writes a story, it ain't "regional."

Lastly, you seem to ignore the fact that the basic premise for the stop in 2003 was Unconstitutional as ALL of the Fox Hill arrests were. For some reason, I find that significant, silly me.

And I have it on Good Faith from someone whose mother went on one -- exactly one -- date with McKay that he bragged about beating Liko BEHIND HIS CAR for some reason -- Liko did not go in that direction and McKay is a photographer so he knows exactly what he's doing.

In sum, if you read the Affidavits I have from the people of Franconia you might feel differently. But then again you might not, that's life. But if you are going to disrespect me on other issues because we disagree on this issue, that shame is yours, not mine.

*************

Now as to the music let's just say I have an open mind and I like to keep it that way 8)

Of course I can play with ya' a little bit about your comment to me about whether I had certain expectations of black men....

And since someone accused me of name dropping I can't let them down so I will say that I had the luxury of dating a former member of Gang of Four II in the reunion tour

I need a cheesburger to go!

Seriously, that band ROCKED.

Y'all have a great weekend, whether we agree to disagree note that I'm only discussing this in one thread and it pertains to lies about military service just as much or more than the other threat that someone else started about military lies, regardless of what kind of car someone drives.

[C.R. Krieger]

other lawyers, including a high-powered U.S. Congressional candidate from CT -- to whom NH AG Kelly Ayotte lied in writing -- and a retired JAG Attorney are supporting me as we speak.[/b][/i]

The latter two don't live anywhere near Franconia, BTW.

In 'Wisconsin' terms, they do. Anything under 200 miles is 'here'. But who in NH cares what a Congressional candidate from two states away thinks? More to the point, in the unlikely event that you convince me to be concerned, who in NH will give a flying shit what a lawyer in a small town in Wisconsin thinks? They are about as concerned with my life here as I am with theirs there - which is not at all.

all of the lies that the government is hiding.

Ooh! The government lies! Is this a recent revelation for you? I suspect I've been well aware of that since before you were born.

How would you feel if you knew Bruce McKay was a wife abuser?

I would have to care first; which I don't, but let's play along ...

I'll give you a syllogism:

1. If you beat your wife you will do anything.

2. McKay I have it on extremely Good Faith and looking for concrete documents right now, beat his wife.

3. So

Well, given that your first premise is false, everything that directly follows from it must also be false. Try again.

I'm not anti-police, I am anti-bad cop.

Yeah. Nancy Reagan came out against drugs, too. Tell us something surprising.

if you don't think I present the facts cogently well that's your opinion.

... which makes you lucky that I do not have to have an opinion about all this because your presentation would start out with two strikes against it in my book.

When 20/20 sends you an email, and Men's Journal calls you for pictures and writes a story, it ain't "regional."

Yeah; it is. Or maybe your sudden ego inflation over that attention blinded you to the fact that not everything that 20/20 decides to cover matters to me. I do not even know what Men's Journal is, but I am pretty sure it is equally influential in my life.

Lastly, you seem to ignore the fact that the basic premise for the stop in 2003 was Unconstitutional as ALL of the Fox Hill arrests were. For some reason, I find that significant, silly me.

If I have managed to ignore all your other facts, why would this one be any different? So somebody in New Hampshire got their constitutional rights violated. Boo-hoo. Did you happen to notice that our current president claims he can wiretap our phone conversations pretty much whenever he wants to? Now, which violation do you think I'm really concerned about?

And I have it on Good Faith from someone

Ooh! Thirdhand "Good Faith" information! Probably hearsay, too. Oops! I forgot to capitalize an Important Term of Art: Hearsay.

McKay is a photographer so he knows exactly what he's doing.

I'm a photographer, too. Or at least I used to be, so I guess I used to know exactly what I was doing. A Perfect Analogy there, counsellor.

In sum, if you read the Affidavits I have from the people of Franconia you might feel differently.

I would have to care first. We keep coming back to that, don't we?

But then again you might not, that's life. But if you are going to disrespect me on other issues because we disagree on this issue, that shame is yours, not mine.

I have not formed enough of an opinion of you to respect or disrespect you. Keep working on that.

But since someone accused me of name dropping I can't let them down so I will say that I had the luxury of dating a former member of Gang of Four II in the reunion tour

Ummm ... who? I mean, if you were even thinking about dating any of those old dead Chinese guys, we got nothin' in common.

[KingCast]

If I have managed to ignore all your other facts, why would this one be any different? So somebody in New Hampshire got their constitutional rights violated. Boo-hoo. Did you happen to notice that our current president claims he can wiretap our phone conversations pretty much whenever he wants to? Now, which violation do you think I'm really concerned about?

Nice to know you're so provincial you don't care about someone's Civil Rights here in NH. So when you get yours violated wherever you are I'll be sure not to give a shit either.

Your alleged point that 20/20 means that the case isn't regional rings hollow. 20/20 is an Internationally syndicated news show and Men's Journal is also an Internationally syndicated publication, whether you read it from your ostrich hole or not.

As to the wiretap issue, well for your information I cover that issue with that very same lawyer that you just said you don't give a damn about:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... orney.html

05 October 2007
KingCast applauds Civil Rights Attorney and U.S. House candidate Harold Burbank's move for Bush Impeachment; Defendant Ayotte grimaces.

You know Dubya and his cronies and Condi have violated more International Treaties than Bill Clinton can shake a cigar at, but yet they get away with it.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... -with.html

Let's keep this simple: NAACP CEO Bruce Gordon, as former President of retail markets for Verizon, knew damn well that the government was spying on his customers.

And BTW the Mayor and I just had a chat in his office about this. His position is that the AG is letting LE down because it is her job not to bury the bad news about a cop going astray, and believe me, Bruce McKay went astray. I'm raking my leaves the other day and a 50-something year old woman, partner in a law firm stops and says "congratulations, keep up the good work in Franconia."

But to you, unlike at least one Beamter, you don't give a damn about Civil Rights unless it's in YOUR backyard. For shame, for shame.

I won't address the rest of your drivel except to say that this is Gang of Four,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_(band)

....which of course does indeed borrow its name from the original Gang of Four, no sampling though; they wrote their own music.

[C.R. Krieger]

Nice to know you're so provincial you don't care about someone's Civil Rights here in NH. So when you get yours violated wherever you are I'll be sure not to give a shit either.

Fair enough. See how nicely that works?

Your alleged point that 20/20 means that the case isn't regional rings hollow. 20/20 is an Internationally syndicated news show

Uh; yeah, sure. I remember Geraldo Rivera on a 20/20 story chasing a local low-life up an Akron street when I lived there. That not only didn't matter to you (assuming you were alive and kicking then), it didn't even matter to me, working a few blocks away. 20/20 is the original schlock journalism program. I can barely manage to watch the crap on CNN any more, let alone anything on a major broadcast network.

and Men's Journal is also an Internationally syndicated publication, whether you read it from your ostrich hole or not.

Awww. Next, you'll tell me I'm not a Real Man© because I'd rather read BMW ON or ROUNDEL.

As to the wiretap issue, well for your information I cover that issue with that very same lawyer that you just said you don't give a damn about:

For a lawyer, you certainly have some poor reading skills. When did I say I didn't give a damn about him? What I said was, why should the good citizens of New Hampshire give a damn about him. What I also said was, why should those same people give a damn about my opinion, which you are so bent on winning.

And BTW the Mayor and I just had a chat in his office about this. His position is that the AG is letting LE down because it is her job not to bury the bad news about a cop going astray, and believe me, Bruce McKay went astray. I'm raking my leaves the other day and a 50-something year old woman, partner in a law firm stops and says "congratulations, keep up the good work in Franconia."

Two more personalities interjected to impress me. I can walk into my local mayor's office any day and have a talk with him, interrupting his administration over a city 30 times the size of Franconia (but I won't, since I only work here; I live outside the city, don't vote here, etc.). I hope you are worthy of congratulations by a generational colleague of mine, but her opinion means about as much to me as the opinion of the mayor of Franconia (which, for some reason, just now reminded me of Groucho Marx' role of 'Rufus T. Firefly' as ruler of Fredonia in Duck Soup).

But to you, unlike at least one Beamter, you don't give a damn about Civil Rights unless it's in YOUR backyard. For shame, for shame.

Now you're getting it! I fight the battles I can fight and leave the rest of the world for the rest of the world. If I decide to devote all my energies to coming to New Hampshire to join you in your supposedly noble cause, what will happen? Everyone will tell me to get lost; go the hell back to Wisconsin where I came from; and rightly so.

Are you going to come here to argue over a city police personnel matter that has already cost Manitowoc over a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees? Are you going to come here and take a side in whether our county-owned health care facility is sold to a private concern for $6 million? Are you going to come and take a side over proposed wind farming in Manitowoc County? Do you care about viral hemorrhagic septicemia or the invasive zebra mussel in the Great Lakes? What's your position on preventing the spread of chronic wasting disease in deer? If those don't seem to matter to you, how will you feel when I tell you to be ashamed - because almost every one of those things affects more people than your case does?

I won't address the rest of your drivel except to say that this is Gang of Four,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_(band)

....which of course does indeed borrow its name from the original Gang of Four, no sampling though; they wrote their own music.

You just don't know when your chain is gettin' yanked, do you, son?

[KingCast]

But not much.

Yank this:


If a cop in a small town did that shit to your son you might have a word with your son but your ass sure as hell would have some words for that officer too and they wouldn't be "great job officer." You would say

"Was all THAT really necessary?"

Then you would file a complaint and it would be ignored, at least until an outsider filed a goddamn lawsuit then you would get up with your neighbors and support that outsider Mo-Fo.

At least that's my experience but YMMV.

And you never addressed why in the hell the State would bother doing detailed angle drawings of the bullets Floyd shot (Official Report pp. 26-27 says so) into the McKenzie Barn and carport as opposed to making none for the windshield bullet Floyd shot at Liko from across the goddamn street, before his car ever struck McKay, my man? That's because it destroys their story that Floyd tried to talk Liko down. Floyd was a delusional PCP convict looking for someone to kill but Kelly gave this freak a pass IN ONE GODDAMN DAY. You want pictures? I got 'em:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... clear.html



After all, didn't nobody die in the goddamn carport, right?

Don't make no common sense, as my ancestors would say. They're from Tennessee and they don't bullshit there. One time my parents folks and the community had to threaten a bad cop with death if he came back down there.

He moved.

Also, I never said 20/20 is the end all be all of Network newz and I laugh my ass off at Geraldo Rivera myself, so what. The point is, however, you were trying to localize the story and say that it is regional. The concerns addressed are not regional and the fact that internationally-syndicated news media have shown interest supports my contention.

FWIW I would rather be reading Roundel or Bimmer as well

Now you're getting it! I fight the battles I can fight and leave the rest of the world for the rest of the world. If I decide to devote all my energies to coming to New Hampshire to join you in your supposedly noble cause, what will happen? Everyone will tell me to get lost; go the hell back to Wisconsin where I came from; and rightly so.

Wrong. The people of Franconia could have told me the same damn thing but they did not. I'm not from there, but they know I used to ski there but even that is not what matters. What matters is this, from a local:

From the comments tip jar:

Lifer said...
"You can judge a man's heart by looking into his eyes and observing his body language.

I have looked into the eyes of many of the major players in the Franconia 5/11 tragedy. This includes Bruce McKay, Liko Kenney, Greg Floyd Sr, Carl Belz, Mark Montminy, and Chris King. Of these, the only ones I would count as true to their heart and honest with their deeds are Liko and Chris.

Both have their flaws, but at the end of the day, you know where their true allegience lies; With the People.

Congratulations and keep up the fight."

6:44 AM

[KingCast says flaws? What flaws? Clerk, please have this man removed immediately. He is exercising his speech in a way that I did not appreciate....].

LOL Lifer, mad respect always =^.)

8:51 AM

Chain yanked?

First of all I'm not your "son," and at 42 unless you're my father's age (69) or at least Uncle Joe's age (65) don't even go there. Second, I was just yanking your chain right back with Gang of Four

And as you accuse me of name-dropping, I'll drop one more for you, who supported me for years and years on my Civil Rights battles. Uncle Joe Bailey, RIP. That enough stripes for ya? If not, he got more after that picture, BTW.



And this, from a retired JAG:

Chris,

Congratulations a well deserved honor. I'm sure your uncle is looking down at you with love and pride. He knew you were a warrior....and would never compromise you position or beliefs no matter how personal your opponents try to make it.

Bill

[KingCast]

And I mean that. Almost bought a K75S (bought an '88 FZ750 instead) and my buddy in undergrad, 1988 had an R65LS and I had a Suzuki GS550ES, mine was faster for sure but his bike was cool as hell. Would love one today.

And of course I told you Liko's father has an R90S.

But if you really want to get down, come buy one of the last CR250R's from me and we'll head up out in the woods and settle it with the chrome and metal shit

I'm an on-the-gas Mo-Fo my brother and them two-strokes ain't no joke. My RD 350 would smoke that damn Beamer of yours in town and damn near run my FZ. As for the gentleman who bought the bike in the picture, he says it has too much power. No shit Sherlock. 49hp at the rear wheel in in 2 stroke can get out of hand real fast. He'll figure it out soon though, or he will be in the hospital. He's a smart guy though so I know he'll find some open areas to experience the powerband of that machine because throttle control is PARAMOUNT.

But the bottom line is that I respect Good Police officers, and those who are not ruin it for the rest. Bruce McKay was not a Good Police officer, he was a terrorist with a badge.

Second bottom line: I haven't seen you once go to the lawsuit on line:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/274400/Liko-Final-2

and cite to me where I'm wrong about any allegation about Bruce McKay violating policies and whether the damn government lied about it. The highest law enforcement officers of the State. That's what's before the Court, not our banter.

I read a quote from a Manchester Police Chief I dug a lot, about taking a cup of coffee on break, which I don't generally have a problem with:

"Once you start there you start to sell your soul, and once you sell it you can't get it back."

Third bottom line: If I were to show you the full portfolio on Gregory W. Floyd, regardless of Liko Kenney you would say:

"Hmmm. Pot and PCP felon, stole a marble Virgin Mary, arrested for Assault w/dangerous weapon, threatened the life of a school administrator for no lawful reason (I have her Affidavit and they changed the school because of it), convicted of disturbing the peace, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1) in Mass and MH (I have the police research on that) you would say 'That M-F is a candidate for the Homeland Security surveillance.'"

But alas, it means nothing to you because it wasn't in your backyard and he isn't in your backyard.

But he is in the backyard of a lot of people in Franconia who are scared shitless and have been for years, reporting it to no avail.

[option00002]

And I mean that. Almost bought a K75S (bought an '88 FZ750 instead) and my buddy in undergrad, 1988 had an R65LS and I had a Suzuki GS550ES, mine was faster for sure but his bike was cool as hell. Would love one today.

And of course I told you Liko's father has an R90S.

But if you really want to get down, come buy one of the last CR250R's from me and we'll head up out in the woods and settle it with the chrome and metal shit

I'm an on-the-gas Mo-Fo my brother and them two-strokes ain't no joke. My RD 350 would smoke that damn Beamer of yours in town and damn near run my FZ. As for the gentleman who bought the bike in the picture, he says it has too much power. No shit Sherlock. 49hp at the rear wheel in in 2 stroke can get out of hand real fast. He'll figure it out soon though, or he will be in the hospital. He's a smart guy though so I know he'll find some open areas to experience the powerband of that machine because throttle control is PARAMOUNT.

But the bottom line is that I respect Good Police officers, and those who are not ruin it for the rest. Bruce McKay was not a Good Police officer, he was a terrorist with a badge.

Second bottom line: I haven't seen you once go to the lawsuit on line:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/274400/Liko-Final-2

and cite to me where I'm wrong about any allegation about Bruce McKay violating policies and whether the damn government lied about it. The highest law enforcement officers of the State. That's what's before the Court, not our banter.

I read a quote from a Manchester Police Chief I dug a lot, about taking a cup of coffee on break, which I don't generally have a problem with:

"Once you start there you start to sell your soul, and once you sell it you can't get it back."

Third bottom line: If I were to show you the full portfolio on Gregory W. Floyd, regardless of Liko Kenney you would say:

"Hmmm. Pot and PCP felon, stole a marble Virgin Mary, arrested for Assault w/dangerous weapon, threatened the life of a school administrator for no lawful reason (I have her Affidavit and they changed the school because of it), convicted of disturbing the peace, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1) in Mass and MH (I have the police research on that) you would say 'That M-F is a candidate for the Homeland Security surveillance.'"

But alas, it means nothing to you because it wasn't in your backyard and he isn't in your backyard.

But he is in the backyard of a lot of people in Franconia who are scared shitless and have been for years, reporting it to no avail.

Dude! You are officially cooked.




______________________

[KingCast]

Dude! You are officially cooked.




______________________

Been called worse so I'm not particularly worrried by your petty insults. You should focus on the lawsuit that I linked instead of ad hominem arguments, that might be more effective if you know how to. Meanwhile my actions are not on trial. The issue is more about Gregory Floyd and his actions, and there I note again (in case you missed it):

Third bottom line: If I were to show you the full portfolio on Gregory W. Floyd, regardless of Liko Kenney you would say:

"Hmmm. Pot and PCP felon, stole a marble Virgin Mary, arrested for Assault w/dangerous weapon, threatened the life of a school administrator for no lawful reason (I have her Affidavit and they changed the school because of it), convicted of disturbing the peace, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1) in Mass and MH (I have the police research on that) you would say 'That M-F is a candidate for the Homeland Security surveillance.'"

[KingCast]

Quote:
In sum, if you read the Affidavits I have from the people of Franconia you might feel differently.

I would have to care first. We keep coming back to that, don't we?

....Spends an awful lot of time for someone who doesn't care, with all that time he might as well read the Affidavits. See he cranks on me for hearsay but won't read the affidavits.

.....Nice.

For those who don't know, Affidavits are NOT hearsay; they are antithesis of hearsay so Mr. Krieger it seems wants to have it both ways

But the best part of his provincialism is that it flies in the face of the teachings of a certain lawyer:

"No one is free when others are oppressed."
--Mahatma Gandhi.

Many more people than Liko Kenney felt oppressed by Bruce McKay and the Franconia town government. Professional, grown adults who have raised families, sent kids to college, etc.

But to hell with them. They're not in His Back Yard. Apparently his provincialism knows no bounds

[C.R. Krieger]

We can agree on something But not much.

FWIW I would rather be reading Roundel or Bimmer as well

Now you're getting it! I fight the battles I can fight and leave the rest of the world for the rest of the world. If I decide to devote all my energies to coming to New Hampshire to join you in your supposedly noble cause, what will happen? Everyone will tell me to get lost; go the hell back to Wisconsin where I came from; and rightly so.

Wrong. The people of Franconia could have told me the same damn thing but they did not. I'm not from there, but they know I used to ski there but even that is not what matters.

You chopped off and ignored my questions. So here they are once again:

Are you going to come here to argue over a city police personnel matter that has already cost Manitowoc over a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees? Are you going to come here and take a side in whether our county-owned health care facility is sold to a private concern for $6 million? Are you going to come and take a side over proposed wind farming in Manitowoc County? Do you care about viral hemorrhagic septicemia or the invasive zebra mussel in the Great Lakes? What's your position on preventing the spread of chronic wasting disease in deer? If those don't seem to matter to you, how will you feel when I tell you to be ashamed - because almost every one of those things affects more people than your case does?

Chain yanked?

First of all I'm not your "son," and at 42 unless you're my father's age (69) or at least Uncle Joe's age (65) don't even go there. Second, I was just yanking your chain right back with Gang of Four

Y'see? It's exactly what I said. You don't know when you're getting your chain yanked. I was only giving you crap over the Gang of Four reference. As for your age, there is the biological possibility that I could be your father, but I did underestimate your age from your pix. You are a lucky man to look so much younger than you are.

I don't know what launched you over my old bike, but that's exactly what it is (it will be 30 years old in about 6 weeks). Like my car, it's not current technology, but it's interesting (a fairly rare edition of ~150), attractive, simple, fixable by a fumblethumbs like me, and I enjoy riding it. It is not to go fast (although there isn't really any liter bike that isn't, including this one) and the brakes pretty much suck, so I have to be very cautious riding it anywhere I might need to stop suddenly. Besides, when I'm going really fast, I want a roof over my head.
Try to notice how subtly I changed the subject ...

[Jeremy]

Try to notice how subtly I changed the subject ...

CR, of all the adjectives that could apply to you, "subtle" is not one that fits. And yes, I am all too familiar with your particular dry wit and sarcasm. Whether the particular case is important to you personally or not, couldn't you just slap him on the back and tell him he "done good"?

C'mon, it isn't that hard . . . In return, Chris could promise to stop throwing the mountain of details at us. I mean, I'm happy he's had an impact and done well for himself and the community, but DAMN that's a lot of reading!

Jeremy

[KingCast]

Are you going to come here to argue over a city police personnel matter that has already cost Manitowoc over a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees?

Perhaps. Especially if I lived 2 hours from you, which is as far as I live from Franconia where I have skied on many occasions. And there is a common thread about police malfeasance that transcends regionality. We got similar issues right here, and by fighting for the Right-to-Know and for Civilian Review Boards we can have an impact. For those who are into it, I give you a roadmap of how to cull support from the community and build on it, to where I have people in government giving me crucial info now.

I would blog about your situation with your Chief if you give me info because you just never know who's going to read it and offer you support, i.e. people within the town, or Congressional Candidates like Harold Burbank. And I would certainly come to your community if I was invited by someone there, as Liko's friend Oliver Ruff emailed me and implored me to come up. Here we are in the State House where he is a part time lobbyist:



As to the other questions in that paragraph, if I am an expert in any given area I may or may not lend a hand.

As to your Beamer, I didn't launch on it, I love it. I was just opening up a friendly challenge in the woods

I know a guy in Dublin OH, Roger, who has one. Hell I love old bikes; wish I still had my RD 350.

What would I buy today if I had loot?

I really, really like the Kawasaki Versys. Like a big Motard, with wind protection (I like to ride for miles and miles) and certainly nimble in the twisties. And very comfortable and stylish, 45 lbs of torque is all you need when you weigh 160.

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id=246

And oh, you can see the damn engine!



A good weekend to all, I've finished my homework assignment:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... t-you.html

[C.R. Krieger]

Are you going to come here to argue over a city police personnel matter that has already cost Manitowoc over a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees?

Perhaps. Especially if I lived 2 hours from you, which is as far as I live from Franconia where I have skied on many occasions. And there is a common thread about police malfeasance that transcends regionality.

Actually, this is 'cops on cops', but it is a local issue with which I would not deign to bore you or this board. One of them is even a friend, but since this is a city matter and while my office is here, I do not live or vote in the city, so I stay out of it. If I did live here, I'd probably be running for mayor about now ...

As to the other questions in that paragraph, if I am an expert in any given area I may or may not lend a hand.

I guess that gives me my other 'out'. I am no expert in the area of civil rights violations. I do debtor-side bankruptcy almost exclusively.

As to your Beamer, I didn't launch on it, I love it. I was just opening up a friendly challenge in the woods

A 'woods' challenge for a bike on which I assiduously avoid gravel?

I know a guy in Dublin OH, Roger, who has one. Hell I love old bikes; wish I still had my RD 350.

An Airhead RS? A Motorsport RS? An Airhead? Inquiring minds want to know, since my brother lives in Delaware, right around the corner from Dublin.

45 lbs of torque is all you need when you weigh 160.

You bastard ...

[KingCast]

A 'woods' challenge for a bike on which I assiduously avoid gravel?

Nah, not with Das Beamer -- we'd have to find a couple of two-stroke dirt bikes so we could really get hurt

As to Roger, I'm trying to remember the name of his shop. I bought an '89 900S from his son-in-law in 2000 but then I moved and haven't kept in touch.

Folks at the Toy Barn will know who he is though. Yeah like Dublin/Powell.... damn wish I could remember.

And oh yeah when I say like yours I mean exactly like yours, an airhead. R100RS.

Now as to the cop thing, I have not blogged about this one, but it is a universal problem. Lyndeborough NH reinstates Chief, they all skip work to avoid him, then he changes the locks.

http://www.topix.com/city/lyndeborough-nh

WTF???

But not as bad as the cop who chained the little boy to his jeep for sex, from North NH.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/20 ... -news.html

Whoa.

[briansmith]

funny...
this thread isn't really about whether it's relevent to the MyE28.com forum or not, is it? It seems to be a vent for one person, and a reaction against that person's actions for others, right?

I think that the best thing to do, if you want to eliminate the reaction to a poster's voice on a forum, is to either not respond to it, dismissing it as a troll post, right?

So maybe 5 people will post in and say "right on."

Then it passes away, and it's gone.

Actually this is my first foray into "General Conversation." I just saw a gun fired on YouTube, and an old Supra spinning both tires. It doesn't have much to do with cars, even less to do with E28s.
Since I have a few minutes, I'll probably read more of the thread, but then again, I'd probably garner more useful information perusing archives than doing that.

Cue the popcorn Emoticon, this thread seems like it will go on and on with little benefit besides creating a virtual drama for the bored.