Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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Re: Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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harrypalmer wrote: Oct 02, 2022 11:59 PM
Philo wrote: Oct 02, 2022 11:42 PMCSB ??
Hey Philo,

Asked myself the same: WTF is a CSB?

Driveshaft Center Support Bearing I’ve found.
Yep. Center Support Bearing. If you scroll down halfway on page two of the linked thread below there are some side by side pics comparing e28 to e34 Csb.

viewtopic.php?t=54630=
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Re: Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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jc72 wrote: Oct 03, 2022 1:46 AM
harrypalmer wrote: Oct 02, 2022 11:59 PM
Philo wrote: Oct 02, 2022 11:42 PMCSB ??
Hey Philo,

Asked myself the same: WTF is a CSB?

Driveshaft Center Support Bearing I’ve found.
Yep. Center Support Bearing. If you scroll down halfway on page two of the linked thread below there are some side by side pics comparing e28 to e34 Csb.

viewtopic.php?t=54630=
Thank you!
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harrypalmer wrote: Oct 03, 2022 2:13 AM
jc72 wrote: Oct 03, 2022 1:46 AM
harrypalmer wrote: Oct 02, 2022 11:59 PM
Philo wrote: Oct 02, 2022 11:42 PMCSB ??
Hey Philo,

Asked myself the same: WTF is a CSB?

Driveshaft Center Support Bearing I’ve found.
Yep. Center Support Bearing. If you scroll down halfway on page two of the linked thread below there are some side by side pics comparing e28 to e34 Csb.

viewtopic.php?t=54630=
Thank you!
Yes, thank you!!
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Re: Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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Hai.
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Turns out the driver's wiper arm is from an E24 or something. It took me this long to realize how poorly it fit. Sigh. Jim Hyack gave me a set of E28 arms at TextFest so I now have a fix. I'll transplant the little wing thing when I refurbish the ones he gave me.
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Finally got around to refurbishing the strut bar. Debating if I want to paint the mounts or not.
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Siblings:
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I have a nice long punch list of stuff to do still. I'm buying a property in Durango for car storage/workshop and hopefully will be able to really wrench in anger again starting mid-late-November!
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Re: Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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Crazy about the S54 failure, sorry to hear but glad to see it driving again, and wish you were wrenching in anger near me and my own angerous wrenching. New shop space is looking pretty fun though, hope to E28-pass-through sometime. Caccavo/SLC E28 BBQ 23 May/June is happening again btw :cool:
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Congrats on the collector plate!
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What shade tint did you use for the windows?
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thugginrobby wrote: Mar 29, 2023 1:24 PM What shade tint did you use for the windows?
It's OE "bronze" glass. No aftermarket tint.
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cek wrote: Mar 31, 2023 9:38 AM
thugginrobby wrote: Mar 29, 2023 1:24 PM What shade tint did you use for the windows?
It's OE "bronze" glass. No aftermarket tint.
more than you can afford pal :laugh:
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Re: Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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heyrr wrote: Mar 15, 2023 12:40 AMCaccavo/SLC E28 BBQ 23 May/June is happening again btw :cool:
SLC E28 BBQ you say? If I can get mine back on the road by then I’d love to stop by. It would be great to meet some other local enthusiasts!
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Zeta wrote: Apr 25, 2023 12:00 AM
heyrr wrote: Mar 15, 2023 12:40 AMCaccavo/SLC E28 BBQ 23 May/June is happening again btw :cool:
SLC E28 BBQ you say? If I can get mine back on the road by then I’d love to stop by. It would be great to meet some other local enthusiasts!
June 4th in Sandy :D
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Minerva was honored to be the first "in anger" project at Gruntled HQ. While there is still more do to on the shop, the car-working areas are complete.

Specifically, I got the Racedeck tiles finished and secured the in-floor scissor lift in the wet spot.

Minerva had been sitting in the corner, neglected and collecting dust. Sometime last winter the right front tire lost air. The leak is in the sidewall. When I bought the Alpinas they came with those tires and one had a small sidewall cut. I guess it finally gave up.

So the two jobs were: Clean that bish, and plop some other wheels one. A tirietery job was to get some sexy photos.

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I've been driving her around the last 3 days and... 💕💕💕

There's still quite a few cosmetic things i have to tweaks, but mechanically this car is tits.
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cek wrote: Aug 13, 2023 9:08 AM
So the two jobs were: Clean that bish, and plop some other wheels one. A tirietery job was to get some sexy photos.

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Are those Style 29s? I've got a soft spot for those. Always wondered what they would look like with the centers painted black or some dark gray... similar to the way the Alpina centers are finished.

Getting sexy photos of Minerva must be one of the easiest jobs out there!
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Foonfer wrote: Aug 13, 2023 12:32 PM Are those Style 29s?
Just one. My spare.
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cek wrote: Aug 13, 2023 9:08 AM Minerva was honored to be the first "in anger" project at Gruntled HQ. While there is still more do to on the shop, the car-working areas are complete.

Specifically, I got the Racedeck tiles finished and secured the in-floor scissor lift in the wet spot.

Minerva had been sitting in the corner, neglected and collecting dust. Sometime last winter the right front tire lost air. The leak is in the sidewall. When I bought the Alpinas they came with those tires and one had a small sidewall cut. I guess it finally gave up.

So the two jobs were: Clean that bish, and plop some other wheels one. A tirietery job was to get some sexy photos.

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image

I've been driving her around the last 3 days and... 💕💕💕

There's still quite a few cosmetic things i have to tweaks, but mechanically this car is tits.
Serious garage porn... we need to have an intervention. :rofl:
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BDKawey wrote: Mar 31, 2023 4:20 PM
cek wrote: Mar 31, 2023 9:38 AM

It's OE "bronze" glass. No aftermarket tint.
more than you can afford pal :laugh:
Shut up
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thugginrobby wrote: Feb 10, 2024 11:08 AM
BDKawey wrote: Mar 31, 2023 4:20 PM

more than you can afford pal :laugh:
Shut up
just making silly fast and furious jokes. we're all on the same team
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Re: Minerva: The S54 powered, better than new, E28

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I'm not a frequent poster on here but I have to reply to this topic. I have loved reading this whole topic multiple times! This must be the most well documented and detailed restoration of an E28 there is. Love the color, love the choice for the S54 and love the attention to detail!
Some day I will do this with my E28 with m52b28 ;)

At work I am finishing a stranded (original) E28 M5 project that is more or less in similar condition as you car, like new. Just want to thank you for the numerous detailed photos.

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RobinM wrote: Jun 27, 2024 5:09 PM I'm not a frequent poster on here but I have to reply to this topic. I have loved reading this whole topic multiple times! This must be the most well documented and detailed restoration of an E28 there is. Love the color, love the choice for the S54 and love the attention to detail!
Some day I will do this with my E28 with m52b28 ;)

At work I am finishing a stranded (original) E28 M5 project that is more or less in similar condition as you car, like new. Just want to thank you for the numerous detailed photos.
Sweet!
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I am in the middle on an S54 swap on my E28 at the moment and would like to add some things that Charlie hasn't or maybe is new info since his build.

-E28Goodies mounts suck but are 1 of 3 vendors I have seen that produce engine arms for our cars. Another vendor "Classic Daily" produces a set that are much bulkier, beefier, and don't suit the engine in the car any better. The issue is that these mounts are produced and made for the S50/S52 or M50/M52 engines. The S54 has a taller profile due to the plastic beauty valve cover and the fuel rail. Because I had already paid for the e28goodies engine mounts and couldn't return them, I decided to modify them. Essentially I just remade the flat plate against the block and lowered the engine down on the mounts 17mm. This is adequate to close the hood as well as create a flatter engine profile instead of it leaning in the back towards the firewall.

-I am using the Getrag 420 6 speed E46 M3 transmission as well as Charlie. Some things to consider if you chose this over the ZF 5 speed: firewall clearance, transmission brace, mounts, driveshaft, and shifter. You will need to clearance(BFH) the firewall right where it goes from being flat to turning down into the trans tunnel. You will see factory spot welds there where it laps into the floor board of the car. Hammer it in about 150mm in length and about 10mm depth. It is completely okay to clearance the firewall in this area because its under the HVAC box and the carpet has a lot of space below the box as well so it will not interfere. For the trans brace you can just buy this from fellow member. He doesn't have the S54/420G listed but it fits the application. https://www.limitedslip.net/product/e24 ... egory_id=4. For the mounts I just used 034 Motorsport E46 M3 rubber reinforced mounts for street like NVH. In regards to the driveshaft, you can fiddle around and try to make something or have someone build you a driveshaft but I have found that a 1983 533i automatic driveshaft is a bolt in direct fit driveshaft. It uses part number 26111209508 or Dorman 936-394. I purchased a brand new Dorman unit as they are made in the USA with heavier duty u-joints. I am using a modified E46 M3 shifter with a fabricated selector rod and DSSR. If your car is automatic, you can use an E46 M3 shifter floor bracket and riv-nut it to the floor instead of cutting and welding a used one from a donor car.

-I am using a karbonius carbon CSL airbox with my build. This airbox as designed to be in the E30 so it has a cavity that is built into the airbox to clear the brake booster. Most folks doing this swap can keep the original Hydroboost brakes or convert to vacuum. I opted to use a RHD E90 M3 brake booster because its small in diameter but thicker so it has the brake assist as well as an updated diaphragm as opposed to a Porsche 944 booster. I also moved the booster to driverside 0.5' over and 0.5' down. I mimicked that on the pedal box as well so holes lined up. You will have to modify the clevis as well.

 
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benloveless1 wrote: Jan 20, 2025 9:07 PM I am in the middle on an S54 swap on my E28 at the moment and would like to add some things that Charlie hasn't or maybe is new info since his build.
Thanks Ben!!!

-E28Goodies mounts suck but are 1 of 3 vendors I have seen that produce engine arms for our cars. Another vendor "Classic Daily" produces a set that are much bulkier, beefier, and don't suit the engine in the car any better. The issue is that these mounts are produced and made for the S50/S52 or M50/M52 engines. The S54 has a taller profile due to the plastic beauty valve cover and the fuel rail. Because I had already paid for the e28goodies engine mounts and couldn't return them, I decided to modify them. Essentially I just remade the flat plate against the block and lowered the engine down on the mounts 17mm. This is adequate to close the hood as well as create a flatter engine profile instead of it leaning in the back towards the firewall.
I am culpable of not posting these details myself, but I went through basically the same process. Thanks for posting more details.

-I am using the Getrag 420 6 speed E46 M3 transmission as well as Charlie. Some things to consider if you chose this over the ZF 5 speed: firewall clearance, transmission brace, mounts, driveshaft, and shifter. You will need to clearance(BFH) the firewall right where it goes from being flat to turning down into the trans tunnel. You will see factory spot welds there where it laps into the floor board of the car. Hammer it in about 150mm in length and about 10mm depth. It is completely okay to clearance the firewall in this area because its under the HVAC box and the carpet has a lot of space below the box as well so it will not interfere. For the trans brace you can just buy this from fellow member. He doesn't have the S54/420G listed but it fits the application. https://www.limitedslip.net/product/e24 ... egory_id=4. For the mounts I just used 034 Motorsport E46 M3 rubber reinforced mounts for street like NVH. In regards to the driveshaft, you can fiddle around and try to make something or have someone build you a driveshaft but I have found that a 1983 533i automatic driveshaft is a bolt in direct fit driveshaft. It uses part number 26111209508 or Dorman 936-394. I purchased a brand new Dorman unit as they are made in the USA with heavier duty u-joints. I am using a modified E46 M3 shifter with a fabricated selector rod and DSSR. If your car is automatic, you can use an E46 M3 shifter floor bracket and riv-nut it to the floor instead of cutting and welding a used one from a donor car.

-I am using a karbonius carbon CSL airbox with my build. This airbox as designed to be in the E30 so it has a cavity that is built into the airbox to clear the brake booster. Most folks doing this swap can keep the original Hydroboost brakes or convert
to vacuum. I opted to use a RHD E90 M3 brake booster because its small in diameter but thicker so it has the brake assist as well as an updated diaphragm as opposed to a Porsche 944 booster. I also moved the booster to driverside 0.5' over and 0.5' down. I mimicked that on the pedal box as well so holes lined up. You will have to modify the clevis as well.
 
Nice! Great info.
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