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ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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Here's why:

Z3s and Z8s have these little modules that sit between the cruise controls stalk and the ECU.

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The big connector connects to the cruise controls stalk. The little three-pin connector plugs to the ECU, via some connector, somewhere.

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I will be using one of these to interface the E28 cruise stalk to my S54 ECU. Basically the pinout of the NON-M E36 Z3 and E52 Z8 cruise stalk is analog, just like the E28, but with a slightly different pinout. The Z3 M had (apparently) the same stalk as the E46 M3, so this adapter wasn't needed.

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I need to modify the Z3 adapter such that it plugs into the E28 cruise control stalk pigtail per the pin layout described above. Easy.

According to the ETMs (plural, because between 83 and 85 the diagrams changed, but the wiring DID NOT) there should be a plug (C210) with four wires in it that plugs into the pigtail that comes from the cruise control stalk. Said wires should be VI/WT, YL, BU, GN.

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On Minerva, which has a harness from a 1985 Euro 528i in it, that plug exists, as expected. It's glorious:
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I could cut Minerva's C210 plug off and splice it onto the Z3 adapter. But I don't want to do that, because so far I've avoided doing anything to the harness that's not easily reversible (on principle, not because I actually think I'll EVER do it).

So, I looked on the 88 535is harness I had in my stash. The C210 plug you see above is nowhere to be found.

Yesterday I pulled the harness from the 85 US 533i parts car and THE PLUG IS NOT THERE EITHER.

@Ahab sent me a picture of his car, and the plug is there.

So strange things are afoot at the Circle-K and I'd like to understand. I could just plow ahead and cut Minvera's C210 plug off and use it, but DAMMIT I want to KNOW.

Why is that plug missing from the two spare harnesses I have?
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Re: ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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Still flummoxed by this so if anyone has any ideas, good or bad, please chime in.
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Re: ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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This may or may not help but I'll post in case it does.

My car is an 84 525i that came without cruise control (or power windows, locks, sunroof, AC, you get the picture) but that is one thing I really missed on the drives to the track or autocross. I pulled the cruise control systems out of both my early 84 533i and my 86 535i (which were pretty much identical, just the cruise ecu was mounted differently between the two) and in both cases the cruise harness was pretty much standalone from the rest of the wiring harness including that connector. I'm guessing you are missing that connector with your spare harnesses as it is either still with the cars or with the rest of the cruise control parts if they were pulled. That is all going off of memory from a year ago, now that I am thinking about it I still need to add the clutch switch so cruise kicks out if the pedal is down.

Hope that helps.
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Re: ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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Adam, I think you may be right, but I'd love confirmation.

Anyone have a car torn apart who can look to see where that connector goes?
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Re: ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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Still flummoxed about this. I'm ready to move on and just cut the damn thing off and use it, but I'd rather KNOW. Kthxbai.
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Re: ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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Unflummox thyself, :D

Adam had it right; this is the entirety of the CC wiring harness.

The power mirrors use similar 4-pin clear connectors (behind the front speakers). Perhaps a suitable replacement is closer than you think.

Hope that helps.

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Re: ISO C210 connector (car side of cruise control stalk plug)

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Lapisblau wrote: Jul 30, 2020 7:56 PM Unflummox thyself, :D

Adam had it right; this is the entirety of the CC wiring harness.

The power mirrors use similar 4-pin clear connectors (behind the front speakers). Perhaps a suitable replacement is closer than you think.

Hope that helps.

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Suitably unflummoxed! Thank you sir.
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