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$35K? 5K original miles on a euro Motorsport 6 (M635csi)??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-BMW ... dZViewItem

I bet it has issues from sitting for so long, unregistered, probably not driven. And
the driver's bolster looks worn for such supposed low mileage.
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Post by schoolsout »

Correct. Somethin fishy. Carfax shows incorrect vin. BEWARE......
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Post by Skeen »

Correct. Somethin fishy. Carfax shows incorrect vin. BEWARE......


Carfax wouldn't have info on it if it really hasn't been registered or insured.

Maybe the bolster got worn down from people getting in and out wishing it could be driven.

The real question is: how is he missing stuff from the toolkit?!?!?! :p
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Post by Kyle in NO »

That's just the mileage when the odometer gears turned to dust around 1994...lol.

Someone may have driven the phuck out of it since then!
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Post by Ted in T.O. »

It's missing the BMW blue cloth.Yada Yada Ya Ya. :) Nice car though but something does smell fishy.
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[QUOTE="Lotus72D"]As far as the bolster wear, it seems to mesh with the mileage and the non-registered condition. The car probably was jockeyed a bunch in and out of the way of some other car, putting low mileage on it each time some guy slide down the seat bolster to move the car. But that is one wild guess.[/QUOTE]

It does look like wear from getting in and out of the car. The rest of the seat looks excellent.
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Well after close examination....I do see a problem........it's not mine :(
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Post by clangpap »

The VIN in realoem does come up M635CSi, Region Europe, Prod 11/84, man trans.
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Post by DRP535 »

Hmmm... "quite possibly the best example in existence" - I would argue that. Whilst mine has a few more than 5,000 miles on it, I reckon it's in better overall condition.

The car is odd for a couple of reasons you can see on the photos.

1) Those ghey repeater indicator lights front and rear are not standard factory issue for Euro M635CSis

2) The only market I know of that insisted on the rear number plate being displayed on a black background was the UK. That panel between the rear lights is not supposed to be black. It should be body colour. I know this because my car is ex-UK and I had to get the very same area resprayed Alpine White #1. The only reason it would be black is if the car is a UK model, but UK models aren't LHD of course which this one is. Weird.

3) The creases in the boot trim around the toolkit look strange. Mine certainly doesn't look like that and I can't see how it ever could. That boot lid lining is actually quite firm and hard. It won't crease like that. The red sticker to the right of toolkit is correct for a genuine M635CSi however and is unique to the model.

4) Interior looks very dirty/worn for a car that's only done 5,000 miles.
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Post by Jeremy »

DRP535 wrote:1) Those ghey repeater indicator lights front and rear are not standard factory issue for Euro M635CSis
Those are standard issue for federalization of Euro cars imported to the US. What I don't get is he says it was imported through Hardy and Beck. I thoght they did things like lightweight racing wheels and turbo systems, I didn't know they were in the importing business. Which raises another weird question. Why pay $10k to have a car federalized if you're not going to register it?
2) The only market I know of that insisted on the rear number plate being displayed on a black background was the UK. That panel between the rear lights is not supposed to be black. It should be body colour. I know this because my car is ex-UK and I had to get the very same area resprayed Alpine White #1. The only reason it would be black is if the car is a UK model, but UK models aren't LHD of course which this one is. Weird.
Also, notice that the panel is faded everywhere except where the plate would've been. Almost like a plate was mounted there for most of the life of the car.

The interior is nice, but looks like it spent a lot of time in the sun.

A very odd speciment indeed. If it was never ever registered, how'd the owner manage to put 5k miles on it anyway?

Jeremy

EDIT: I think I just found the most damning evidence. Can anybody get the instrument cluster shot to enlarge? I can't. Just the speedo. I can't tell if the tach is proper one or not.

[Edit by Jeremy on [TIME]1130009955[/TIME]]
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[QUOTE="DRP535[/I]2) The only market I know of that insisted on the rear number plate being displayed on a black background was the UK. That panel between the rear lights is not supposed to be black. It should be body colour. I know this because my car is ex-UK and I had to get the very same area resprayed Alpine White #1. The only reason it would be black is if the car is a UK model, but UK models aren't LHD of course which this one is. Weird.

Also, notice that the panel is faded everywhere except where the plate would've been. Almost like a plate was mounted there for most of the life of the car.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Mine was like that too before I had it resprayed. The black paint they used for this purpose just went straight over the top of the body paint and was very thick, very matt black and very course to the touch. It was almost like asphalt. Horrible stuff. Returning the panel to normal was no easy business. You can't just sand and spray. You have to remove all trace of the built up black paint first which is about as thick as a fingernail over the top of the original body paint.
EDIT: I think I just found the most damning evidence. Can anybody get the instrument cluster shot to enlarge?
This is the best I can do with the one from the site. JPEG artifacts removed with Jpeg Enhancer, enlarged with Photozoom Pro using S-Spline algorithm - 700% enlargement.

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I reckon the original owner bought the car, spent a shitload of money putting a stereo in it and then died. That's the only possible explanation for a car with that much non-standard stereo equipment in it and only 5,000 miles on the clock.

Power antenna not OE either. Interior leather condition still looks awful to me for the condition of the rest of the car. Exterior panels and paint work looks in excellent condition though I must admit.
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Post by Jeremy »

Lotus, do you know the seller? In the enlargement that DRP did it looks like there's an economy gauge at the bottom of the tach, but apparently it's just a trick of the enlargement algorithm he used.

I agree with you on the seats, buffalo does tend to to look that way, but they are sun faded a bit at the tops.

Jeremy

EDIT: OK, I was too dumb to figure out how to use the gallery link that was posted last night. I closed the window when it asked me to login, I didn't realize I didn't have to. Thanks, Tammer.

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Post by Tammer in Philly »

Jeremy, if you follow Lotus's instructions, you'll see it's the proper tachometer. No comment from me on the rest of the car, it's a shame that it's Bronzit though. ;-)

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Post by dcbrewmeister »

hummm, zero bids, go figure.

Who cares, if he paid anywhere near $35k for it, he gave too much...And I really doubt he has EVER had an offer above $35k for it... IF he did, he should have jumped all over it...

It IS a very nice example of an M6, but something is not right about the car, and unless it was left in the sun and people were allowed to just sit in it, it's got a lot more miles than the stated 5200.
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Post by Shawn D. »

[QUOTE="DRP535"]3) The creases in the boot trim around the toolkit look strange. Mine certainly doesn't look like that and I can't see how it ever could. That boot lid lining is actually quite firm and hard. It won't crease like that. [/QUOTE]
Indeed, they aren't attractive, but they're not strange or inexplicable -- the piece has simply delaminated and the vinyl is sagging. No mystery there.
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