I don't know you (yet), Jason, but Todd is a stand up guy who has freely shared any knowledge he has with anyone who has needed it. They're research and development on BMW turbo kits has been beneficial to the community. As someone who is waiting for a kit from TCD, I can say that I never felt pressure from Todd as a pushy salesman. In fact, on more than one occasion Todd specifically discouraged me from buying certain things (even from TCD) that wouldn't really help achieve my goals for my car, even though he could have made money on me.
How un-salesman is that?
I have a ton of respect for both John and Todd and their contributions to our community. Bashing either of them will not get you far in anyone's eyes here, I can tell you that. They are both seasoned, contributing veterans to this E28 forum/community with good reputations.
My first real KILL in my M535Ti..
No I'm not fucking kidding you. Yes I came to YOUR forum and started talking smack.
The SAAB debate is just something I don't want to get into without the right information. BSR in sweden is getting 300/300 out of their steg 3 or 4 project car. And it is 2800lbs. Mine specifically, with 1/2 a tank fuel clocks in a 3050 on the local scale. The only info I can find on the chip/exhaust is +68bhp and +105nm tq. It just wasn't the debate I was trying to get into in the first place. I was TRYING to say that we should have respect for other types of vehicles and engines if we expect to have fun in this activity.
I simply don't have the patience for your needling bullshit. Granted, I probably overreacted, but there's just something about your comments that get under my skin. Like your comment about how 'your cs must not be finished.' Well no shit it's not finished. I recently moved (albiet a year ago), and I've spent 10 hours a day going back to school...but that doesn't by one bit counter the jist of my post. It's just a nit picking comment indended (perhaps subconsciously) to piss me off to no end.
Now, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I overreacted, I'm sorry that we don't get along. I'm sorry that we hijacked your thread, Duke...and I'm sorry that the point I was trying to make was clouded in my rhetoric.
So let me reiterate it. No matter what we drive, build, wrench on, we should have respect for other people who have the same hobby but work on other flavors of cars. It's funny how all of our hubris can subvert our judgement when it comes to seeing things from a different perspective. I've talked to people with all sorts of different cars with the same goal in mind and for some ungodly reason they all think 'my car is the best starting point for mods, all those other cars are shite!'
It's just a bad attitude, and damnit if I have to say this myself, my own pride shows exactly what that kind of thinking can turn into.
Hope my point came across this time. Obviously 'no hard feelings?' is a little out of the question, but I will say that what I said might have been a little uncalled for.
Jason
The SAAB debate is just something I don't want to get into without the right information. BSR in sweden is getting 300/300 out of their steg 3 or 4 project car. And it is 2800lbs. Mine specifically, with 1/2 a tank fuel clocks in a 3050 on the local scale. The only info I can find on the chip/exhaust is +68bhp and +105nm tq. It just wasn't the debate I was trying to get into in the first place. I was TRYING to say that we should have respect for other types of vehicles and engines if we expect to have fun in this activity.
I simply don't have the patience for your needling bullshit. Granted, I probably overreacted, but there's just something about your comments that get under my skin. Like your comment about how 'your cs must not be finished.' Well no shit it's not finished. I recently moved (albiet a year ago), and I've spent 10 hours a day going back to school...but that doesn't by one bit counter the jist of my post. It's just a nit picking comment indended (perhaps subconsciously) to piss me off to no end.
Now, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I overreacted, I'm sorry that we don't get along. I'm sorry that we hijacked your thread, Duke...and I'm sorry that the point I was trying to make was clouded in my rhetoric.
So let me reiterate it. No matter what we drive, build, wrench on, we should have respect for other people who have the same hobby but work on other flavors of cars. It's funny how all of our hubris can subvert our judgement when it comes to seeing things from a different perspective. I've talked to people with all sorts of different cars with the same goal in mind and for some ungodly reason they all think 'my car is the best starting point for mods, all those other cars are shite!'
It's just a bad attitude, and damnit if I have to say this myself, my own pride shows exactly what that kind of thinking can turn into.
Hope my point came across this time. Obviously 'no hard feelings?' is a little out of the question, but I will say that what I said might have been a little uncalled for.
Jason
[QUOTE="BKCowGod"]Hey TCD, don't worry about the big talking troll... I can happily call bullshit on his 180hp Alfa Spider... In Euro tune (cams and headers and no cat) that car put out 135hp. Adding dual 40mm carbs will bring you up MAYBE to 160. And it's nearly impossible to pull 250lbs out of a spider and still drive it. Plastic seats and no interior or top would get you down to 2300.[/QUOTE]
Weight was a wild ass guess. The car is stripped to the skeleton. No interior, half the wiring and ancillary systems have been removed, the top is actually still on the car. (Edit: Now you have me wanting to go get it weighed!) The guess on the power came from a 32 year alfa certified mechanic who drove it for the first time about two weeks ago. He guessed 165-170 and told me the 01 euro cams I'm about to install are going to add 10. Hence, my top guess was 180. She's got borgo 10.4:1 cr pistons also. bosch electronic distributor and hefty advance on 92 octane + 9oz tk7scf per tank.
I'm just repeating what someone extremely reputable told me.
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Weight was a wild ass guess. The car is stripped to the skeleton. No interior, half the wiring and ancillary systems have been removed, the top is actually still on the car. (Edit: Now you have me wanting to go get it weighed!) The guess on the power came from a 32 year alfa certified mechanic who drove it for the first time about two weeks ago. He guessed 165-170 and told me the 01 euro cams I'm about to install are going to add 10. Hence, my top guess was 180. She's got borgo 10.4:1 cr pistons also. bosch electronic distributor and hefty advance on 92 octane + 9oz tk7scf per tank.
I'm just repeating what someone extremely reputable told me.
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[QUOTE="griffith"]Anyone who knows how to build a small chevy worth two squirts of piss could hand 98% of the cars on this board their ass. Shit, my FRONT WHEEL DRIVE FOUR BANGER COMMUTE BITCH SAAB 9-3 AERO with a chip and exhaust could probably obliterate most of the Turbo BMW's on this board, and that's simply a Chevy Ecotec with a Mitsusucky turbo on it.
Jason[/QUOTE]
OK, I never had a problem with you until you posted that. There was just no reason for it.
And your impression of me is misguided. I am not a BMW snob. I am gearhead plain and simple. It just so happens that at this point in my life I am playing with BMWs. I have previously played with, domestic iron, ford turbos, mitsui, Porsche etc. There is certainly a LS1 turbo in my future.
I did take that stab at you about the CS because you were slapping the face of people on this board who have actually completed a turbo install or conversion. I see it pissed you off like I inteneded.
I just call it like I see it. I don't have enough energy to be pissed at you. If you want to make friends then fine. If not, that's OK too.
Todd
Jason[/QUOTE]
OK, I never had a problem with you until you posted that. There was just no reason for it.
And your impression of me is misguided. I am not a BMW snob. I am gearhead plain and simple. It just so happens that at this point in my life I am playing with BMWs. I have previously played with, domestic iron, ford turbos, mitsui, Porsche etc. There is certainly a LS1 turbo in my future.
I did take that stab at you about the CS because you were slapping the face of people on this board who have actually completed a turbo install or conversion. I see it pissed you off like I inteneded.
I just call it like I see it. I don't have enough energy to be pissed at you. If you want to make friends then fine. If not, that's OK too.
Todd
Jason, I don't think anybody's questioning that you should have a healthy respect for other cars and manufacturers. Hell, Todd and John have both mentioned taking a blown LS1 and stuffing it into an e28 chassis. You still think they believe all American cars suck?
Problem is, you backed your arguments with ridiculous claims and got called on it. If you didn't want start a pissing match, you really shouldn't have started pissing on us.
As for not having your CS done. . . you probably wouldn't be making these comments if it was running, cause you'd have experienced it for yourself. That CS, if you built it properly, will destroy your little 9-3 and leave you grinning from here to the end of the straight.
I have lots of respect for other built cars, but that just means I enjoy it all the more when I hand them their ass in my boxy 20 year old 4 door.
Jeremy
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Problem is, you backed your arguments with ridiculous claims and got called on it. If you didn't want start a pissing match, you really shouldn't have started pissing on us.
I've seen Todd at the drag strip, many many small block (and large block) built American motors came up to the line that night. Todd's times beat most of them, and he's running even faster than that now. His "kill list" includes quite a few high powered cars, including a Masseratti Quatroporte (Ferrari V8) and hanging very close to a C5 (was that non-intercooled, Todd?).Anyone who knows how to build a small chevy worth two squirts of piss could hand 98% of the cars on this board their ass. Shit, my FRONT WHEEL DRIVE FOUR BANGER COMMUTE BITCH SAAB 9-3 AERO with a chip and exhaust could probably obliterate most of the Turbo BMW's on this board
As for not having your CS done. . . you probably wouldn't be making these comments if it was running, cause you'd have experienced it for yourself. That CS, if you built it properly, will destroy your little 9-3 and leave you grinning from here to the end of the straight.
I have lots of respect for other built cars, but that just means I enjoy it all the more when I hand them their ass in my boxy 20 year old 4 door.
Jeremy
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Ok ok. FIrst off, it wasn't that I thought TODD was a BMW snob, that was just the subject of my initial reply. Obviously todd isn't or he wouldn't have put in his first post to the 'amercian cars suck' comment.
Granted, that first line of my first post was a BIIIG hook, just to jog some peoples thoughts. And if necessary, there are plenty of saabs running wicked quarter miles on front tires in sweden. We're building a little 99 EMS right now that should have about 250hp at the front wheels (could do more but the tranny can't take it) and it should do decently from a dig, but who knows.
And my claim originally wasn't 'turbo e28's suck' it was rather that other things rule too, and be careful what you expect because some really oddball cars can embarass you.
As for my CS, well that's why I'm building it in the first place - looks like a pretty little girly car and it is going to be a monster. I mean, I've driven e28's with 8psi boost and I KNOW they are very fast, deceptively fast if you're not watching the speedometer.
Turbo LS1 + E28 = Very Cool, by the way. Just don't put eight borg warner snails on it like that 57 chevy.
This is just how I get sometimes. It's like when you've had a project in the garage for two years and you go to a car show. It kills.
Well, it's time for me to go to work on this thing...it is sooo close. Gotta do the measurements for the fuel rail today.
Jason
Granted, that first line of my first post was a BIIIG hook, just to jog some peoples thoughts. And if necessary, there are plenty of saabs running wicked quarter miles on front tires in sweden. We're building a little 99 EMS right now that should have about 250hp at the front wheels (could do more but the tranny can't take it) and it should do decently from a dig, but who knows.
And my claim originally wasn't 'turbo e28's suck' it was rather that other things rule too, and be careful what you expect because some really oddball cars can embarass you.
As for my CS, well that's why I'm building it in the first place - looks like a pretty little girly car and it is going to be a monster. I mean, I've driven e28's with 8psi boost and I KNOW they are very fast, deceptively fast if you're not watching the speedometer.
Turbo LS1 + E28 = Very Cool, by the way. Just don't put eight borg warner snails on it like that 57 chevy.
This is just how I get sometimes. It's like when you've had a project in the garage for two years and you go to a car show. It kills.
Well, it's time for me to go to work on this thing...it is sooo close. Gotta do the measurements for the fuel rail today.
Jason
Official Kill List in the 535i:
996 C4S running 16psi non intercooled
Masserati running 12psi non intercooled
e46 M3 running 15psi non intercooled
WRX running 15psi non intercooled
I never got the chance to run anything when it was running 18-19psi intercooled but I can tell you that it made our other turbo cars look slow.
It was the 325i that barely lost to the C5 when I was running 9psi non intercooled with my Dad in the car.
Todd
996 C4S running 16psi non intercooled
Masserati running 12psi non intercooled
e46 M3 running 15psi non intercooled
WRX running 15psi non intercooled
I never got the chance to run anything when it was running 18-19psi intercooled but I can tell you that it made our other turbo cars look slow.
It was the 325i that barely lost to the C5 when I was running 9psi non intercooled with my Dad in the car.
Todd
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[QUOTE="TCD"]Official Kill List in the 535i:
996 C4S running 16psi non intercooled
Masserati running 12psi non intercooled
e46 M3 running 15psi non intercooled
WRX running 15psi non intercooled[/QUOTE]
If anybody doubts the Porker claim, I was in the passenger seat when Todd had to let out of it at about 90MPH to avoid an imminent rear collision. Forced to yield and move right, but still gunning the flat six for all it was worth, he could still could not avoid the inevitable: Todd laid down the hammer and passed by at something less than terminal velocity. I wish I had a camera, because the expression on this dude's face as we blasted past him in a 20 year old box was priceless.
996 C4S running 16psi non intercooled
Masserati running 12psi non intercooled
e46 M3 running 15psi non intercooled
WRX running 15psi non intercooled[/QUOTE]
If anybody doubts the Porker claim, I was in the passenger seat when Todd had to let out of it at about 90MPH to avoid an imminent rear collision. Forced to yield and move right, but still gunning the flat six for all it was worth, he could still could not avoid the inevitable: Todd laid down the hammer and passed by at something less than terminal velocity. I wish I had a camera, because the expression on this dude's face as we blasted past him in a 20 year old box was priceless.