my M30 into an e30 project

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Dec 29, 2005 10:53 PM

well im tearing down an e28 right now to put the M30 drivetrain into an E30 after being rebuilt of course. My goal is 300-350 whp. Im wondering what to use for some components. Im looking at the tcd or a custom log style manifold. What turbo would be ideal? T3/T4? Also what injector size would I get from tcd for my setup? Headgasket? Otherwise Ive done some reading and have found most all of the info I need. Great forum by the way!

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Dec 29, 2005 10:54 PM

Also should I have any work (other than being cleaned up) done to the head or does it flow reasonably well? Cams?

gol10dr1 · Post by **gol10dr1** » Dec 30, 2005 12:12 AM

300 rwhp? keep everything stock internals and run a to4e and boost 10 psi. or do a headgasket and run 15+ psi safely. i currently have 360 rwhp on a stock motor so your hp goals should be no problem and not require any special internals.

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Dec 30, 2005 12:33 AM

I realize the internals will stay the same. Which injectors should I use though? 30 lb? and Ill be rebuilding the engine anyway so since Ill be replacing the headgasket Ill get the proper one. Can I get a MLS (im assuming it means multi layer steel) headgasket for the M30 at any old auto parts store, or will I need to order that from somewhere special?

gol10dr1 · Post by **gol10dr1** » Dec 31, 2005 12:20 PM

you can only get the gasket through tcd.

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Dec 31, 2005 8:30 PM

[QUOTE="gol10dr1"]you can only get the gasket through tcd.[/QUOTE]

whats the price?

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Jan 01, 2006 8:23 PM

here are a few pics. Ive now disconnected most everything, so later this week Ill be pulling the motor and gearbox. I need to buy some more wrenches, the driveshaft uses some big bolts. Anyone ever seen these wheels? They're ARE wheels.

stuartinmn · Post by **stuartinmn** » Jan 01, 2006 8:32 PM

Mike, how's the condition of your 535, and what are you going to do with it after you pull the drivetrain? It looks like it's Diamondschwarz; so is my car and I'm in Minneapolis, so I was thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up some spare body parts to have on hand just in case.

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Jan 01, 2006 9:25 PM

^there are some spots where i can see rust underneath the paint, but the car or panels are yours, make a price and let me know. If you want, I can take more pics of specific parts or you can come take a look and decide what you want. If you want ill give you the whole thing when im done for pretty cheap
Mike

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jimbixjr · Post by **jimbixjr** » Feb 18, 2006 8:58 PM

any recent updates?

Bill in MN · Post by **Bill in MN** » Feb 18, 2006 9:07 PM

Mike

Where are you at in MN?

Drop me an email if you have turbo questions.

stuartinmn · Post by **stuartinmn** » Feb 18, 2006 9:30 PM

Bill, Mike is down in Bloomington.

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Feb 18, 2006 10:05 PM

The cars gone and Ive got the following in my garage:
M30
Trans
3.25 LSD diff
radiator
e30.de e30 m30 motor mounts (got them from a guy in the US cheap!)
e34 oil pan and pump
engine accessories
intercooler that may work

The next steps will be to rebuild the engine. It will cost about 500-700 to bore/hone the cylinders, clean it up, replace the freeze plugs, check all threads and clean them, inspect block, inspect head, magnaflux (i think) head, valve job, clean head. The reason for the variation in price is that I can get red rooster to do the machining and it will cost a bit over 500. Ive been told Ill want the place to use a torque plate when they hone/bore the cylinders?? People tell me it will probably cost 200-300 more at a place because they'll have to make the plate.

So once that machining is done, Ill buy the rebuild parts, with a mls head gasket and head studs from tcd. Stock crank, rods and pistons assuming they're all in good shape. (id get better pistons so I could do some very serious numbers, but Im trying to do this on a budget...)
After this, Ill gather turbo parts and megasquirt to set the car up. Im pumped that I already got the motor mounts! That was one of the uncertain areas (I didnt want to have to buy them from germany, and someone told me tino doesnt make them anymore..)

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Feb 18, 2006 10:08 PM

The engine and gearbox being pulled

The 5 with its guts torn out..

rip...

For most of the engine pulling procedure, we had the gearbox and engine held to the engine hoist by one bolt...

glad it made it through

The 5 speed getrag

The 3.25 lsd from the 5 (axle shafts still attached).

Its not very pretty yet, but its a good start. Ill inspect the diff and gearbox and replace any gaskets or seals, and hopefully not need to have them rebuilt. Will update as the project develops. Wouldnt doubt it'll take me several months...

Heres my little e30 that the setup will go into..

:biggthump

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bmw335is turbo · Post by **bmw335is turbo** » Feb 19, 2006 12:26 AM

that is a nice e30 for the swap.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Feb 19, 2006 12:31 AM

bmwmike,

Thanks for showing us how NOT to pull an engine. You may not care about the car that it was coming out of but, using one point on the engine for removal put the engine at risk of damage you will not find until you have it in the E30 and discover you cracked something.

With that, I wish you luck on the install; it will make for a very fun E30.

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russc · Post by **russc** » Feb 19, 2006 2:07 AM

Man,
Minnesota roads are brutal on those under carraidge parts, ouch.

In regards to your questions above, if they havent' beed answered, Im not sure yo need a MLS gasket if you only need 300whp. You will need 30lb injs with a FMU for sure. All that stuff can be had from many places, one being TCD. To get to 300whp, you'll need at least a TO4B, but the TCD TO4E-61 is the bomb.

RussC

Tjn182 · Post by **Tjn182** » Feb 19, 2006 10:19 AM

300rwhp isn't too much of a goal! I say you should aim for something more tasty

400rwhp! DO IT! :p

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Feb 20, 2006 2:22 AM

[QUOTE="Duke M535ti Backup"]bmwmike,

Thanks for showing us how NOT to pull an engine. You may not care about the car that it was coming out of but, using one point on the engine for removal put the engine at risk of damage you will not find until you have it in the E30 and discover you cracked something.

With that, I wish you luck on the install; it will make for a very fun E30.

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no problem, it was lifted from a hook in front which was bolted to the head iirc. When the machining is done, they'll let me know if i f***ed anything up, but it looks fine at this point.

Jaredtown · Post by **Jaredtown** » Apr 11, 2006 4:46 AM

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=66023

bmwmike · Post by **bmwmike** » Apr 11, 2006 5:38 PM

Jaredtown wrote:http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=66023

looking good, Im a member at r3v too, so Ive already checked it out. I see we have some similar interests in cars.. I have an E34 M5, the E30 and recently sold an ex-cop car.

As far as my car, Ive got the engine mounts, the E34 oil pan and pump, but thats about it. Im just saving up a bit more money and finishing school which is time consuming right now, but in a few weeks Ill tear the engine down, rebuild it, and go from there.
Mike

Velocewest · Post by **Velocewest** » Apr 11, 2006 6:41 PM

gol10dr1 wrote:you can only get the gasket through tcd.

Close. You can get the gasket through TCD. And Todd and Sweeney's participation here is a good reason to support their biz. But others sell the MLS gasket for the M30.

jimbixjr · Post by **jimbixjr** » Apr 13, 2006 2:03 AM

Im just adding another MLS source. www.vacmotorsports.com
I got mine through TCD but VAC sells the MLS in multiple thinckness's

bmw335is turbo · Post by **bmw335is turbo** » Apr 13, 2006 4:08 AM

bmwmike wrote:
Jaredtown wrote:http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=66023
looking good, Im a member at r3v too, so Ive already checked it out. I see we have some similar interests in cars.. I have an E34 M5, the E30 and recently sold an ex-cop car.

As far as my car, Ive got the engine mounts, the E34 oil pan and pump, but thats about it. Im just saving up a bit more money and finishing school which is time consuming right now, but in a few weeks Ill tear the engine down, rebuild it, and go from there.
Mike

I have one thing to say when you get the car done try driveing the e30m30 for a wile because with the stock m30 with bolt on's i had 212 hp and 270ftq then I turboed with more bolt on's and with no tunning and at 4800 Rpm's 319whp 335wtq at 10psi with innercooler not hooked up. I must say todd's kit works really well.

T_C_D · Post by **T_C_D** » Apr 13, 2006 7:59 AM

jimbixjr wrote:Im just adding another MLS source. www.vacmotorsports.com
I got mine through TCD but VAC sells the MLS in multiple thinckness's

So does TCD....

jimbixjr · Post by **jimbixjr** » Apr 13, 2006 3:53 PM

sorry, I didnt know.

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my M30 into an e30 project