Possible E-brake problem, dont know if this belongs here

[Bimmerguy2002]

YAY first post! Haha Anyway, ive been into drifting for quite some time and on this car, the 528e, its a limited slip diff by the way, when i try to yank the e-brake to slide the rear of the car out, on THIS car in particular, the back end just feels like some fat guy sat on the trunk, and understeers horribly when i do it.
Is it because its a old e-brake, blown shocks (i know they are blown) or limited slip?
Its darn near impossible to get sideways unless you are going super fast, or take a extremely wide turn, even then you hope to god the tires catch :)
Ive done this on all sorts of drivetrains except this is my first rear wheel thats limited slip, but this car is troublesome for me.
Thanks

[BKCowGod3]

Oh this should be fun. You are posting on a relatively vocally anti-drifting group.

Your problem should have nothing to do with the LSD, more to do with the shittiness of your rear suspension. Check subframe bushings, dogbones, diff mount, struts, etc.

Oh, and I have no trouble getting sideways - just give it some throttle.

[Wiseguy]

[Shawn D.]

Drifting = another lame excuse for folks in an attempt to justify why drive like immature monkeys on the street.

Gee, trying goofball moves on a known worn-out suspension and you wonder why it doesn't "behave"?

As the Cow God says, most of us think drifting is inane. Be that as it may, it ain't really drifting if you use a handbrake, is it?

[Bimmerguy2002]

Geez, i dont go around doing it with people around (i know what im doing by the way), i do do it on public streets yes, but thats about 1AM when NOBODY is around on backroads here since i live in the country.
You have to use the handbrake on certain corners to achieve the desired angle. Most front wheel drive vehicles use it to stat wheel spin for the rear tires since they understeer, even moreso with a limited slip differential.
Not every corner can you just turn the wheel in and counter-steer that quick to induce wheel-spin in the rear tires cause there may not be enough room or you are already too far into the turn, or past the apex
Yes i know grip-style driving is far more efficient in almost every way (driver fatigue, tire wear, possible clutch wear).
I can drift it fine using a clutch kick, powerslide, or a shift-lock, but the e-brake thing bothered me cause the way the suspension reacted so wildly to a gentle tug :(
I dont care if i get flamed, all i wanted to know was the reason why it sunk down, all my bushings are replaced in the subframe, diff, and dogbones too.

[C.R. Krieger]

Geez, i dont go around doing it with people around (i know what im doing by the way), i do do it on public streets yes, but thats about 1AM when NOBODY is around on backroads here since i live in the country.

And I live in the country. Try that shit at 1:00 AM anywhere I can hear it and you're likely to get a surprise visit from the sheriff sometime shortly after a vehicle something like the one shown below casually drives down the road you're playing on.

the e-brake thing bothered me cause the way the suspension reacted so wildly to a gentle tug
I dont care if i get flamed, all i wanted to know was the reason why it sunk down, all my bushings are replaced in the subframe, diff, and dogbones too.

Obviously, you don't know enough about your suspension configuration or operation to realize that parking brake application on the E28 will always cause the rear end to drop. It's a semi-trailing arm design probably unlike any FWD you've ever driven. I would humbly suggest that you learn more about your car before playing such games. You know a lot less than you think you know about it.

[Bimmerguy2002]

Why do you have to try to insult others? There is no need for that at all.
I never said i knew about my car as well as others do, if i knew that the rear would squat then i wouldnt have asked that would i?
Keep your smart ass remarks to yourself, oh and for your information, i dont do it around houses, i said backroads, moreso, mountain passes.
I dont think any lives in a mountain.
I dont think you would try to confront me by the way in real life C.R., you dont have what it takes.
I cant believe you try to make enemies with people so fast, what an ego, i asked a simple question and all you had to do was respond.

[Kyle in NO]

E28s are designed to limit tail sliding as much as possible with the given suspension design. It is working against you. The parking brake also simply isn't strong enough to instantly stop all the rotating mass of the driveshafts, differential, transmission, and engine (if you aren't pushing the clutch in). Shit, the main brakes aren't that strong. Front-drive cars simply have to lock the rear wheels to do the deed, a relatively easy task.

These cars have suspension components that are relatively "delicate" and wear under normal use. Find another car to drift....

[C.J.]

I have to admit, drifting looks kinda cool. Kinda. But then I think of how much replacing my tires would cost me and I say no thanks.

[Bimmerguy2002]

yeah its fun to do as long as its in a controlled enviroment where nobody can get hurt except the driver if anything goes wrong.
I dont use it when racing in mountain passes cause its slower than normal grip-driving, and the tires get heated up way too fast, i use cheap-o sams club Dunlop SP3000 i think tires, they are just used once or twice and throw away, other than that i roll on Pirelli's PZero Nero's or Potenza Bridgestone RE92 or 910's my favorite :) Cause of grip and longevity purposes.
Thanks for your help guys!

[wickahead]

I am usually with most of you on topics, but I think drifting is a FINE art and takes an incredible amount of finess to do it correctly.


Check out these videos and then make your opinions



Drift Days Papenburg
Drift Days (Watch this one first!)

In the proper environment, I think that drifting is another aspect of these cars that add to the enjoyment of driving.

[wickahead]

... and as a follow-up, anyone who can drift a jaguar like that (@ 2:15) deserves my respect.

[Mark 88/M5 Houston]

I think that the videos do show a number of drivers demonstrating a high level of car control on a closed course. To go playing like that on the public roadways, no matter what time of day or how "deserted", is just flat crazy and a danger to more than the driver or passengers in the vehicle.

If you want to drive like that, do what sane people do and join a club or organization that is into that and do it on a closed course.

I'm with C.R. on this one, I'd be dialing the authorities, taking pictures, getting plate numbers and then offering to testify.

[wickahead]

No arguments with you there Mark.

Closed course = good.

I just take issue with Shawn's opinion that "Drifting = another lame excuse for folks in an attempt to justify why drive like immature monkeys on the street." and/or "drifting is inane".

[BKCowGod3]

Stay FAR away from the mountain pass on which I live. So basically you only drift on public roads when the only people on it will be tired, drunk, cops, or deer? If you have so little self control or money that you can't wait or afford to take it to a closed course, then you need to seriously rethink your attitude towards driving. I did, but it took three wrecked cars to do it.

My driveway is right around that blind turn.

[C.R. Krieger]

Why do you have to try to insult others?

I don't try. It comes naturally.

Keep your smart ass remarks to yourself

Sorry; no can do. I'm the chief resident Smartass© here. BTW, it's one word, always capitalized.

I dont think you would try to confront me by the way in real life C.R., you dont have what it takes.

Uh, yeah; I would. Anyone here who's engaged me in conversation (or who may, at 5er Fest) would know that I would say exactly the same thing to you in person. It's not confrontational; it's simply a statement of fact:

You play the kind of games you do on the roads around where my 9-y-o daughter and/or wife may be walking, riding horses, bicycling, or even trying to figure out where the horses may have broken the fence at 1:00 AM (It's happened.), you will answer to the authorities. Are we clear on that?