Guess you won't be buying your next one from us. (We know you didn't buy your first onesenna4ever wrote: Ya, thats why I bought my last exhaust from you.
) Lol!T_C_D wrote:Guess you won't be buying your next one from us. (We know you didn't buy your first onesenna4ever wrote: Ya, thats why I bought my last exhaust from you.
It'll be a special Millertime supercar custom ,kinda like Foose/Alpina/Dinan wrapped all together but better, super duper one off exhaust system.
Who is the bright one now who can't pay attention to the smallest of details. You clever, funny, non-contributing prick. Leave this thread, you've shit on it more than what should be allowed.senna4ever wrote:T_C_D wrote:
senna4ever wrote:
Ya, thats why I bought my last exhaust from you.
Guess you won't be buying your next one from us. (We know you didn't buy your first one )
C'mon Todd, dont tell lies on a public forum. Dont make me go scan the receipt. You sold me an exhaust for my e28.
m.olennick wrote:Who is the bright one now who can't pay attention to the smallest of details. You clever, funny, non-contributing prick. Leave this thread, you've shit on it more than what should be allowed.senna4ever wrote:T_C_D wrote:
senna4ever wrote:
Ya, thats why I bought my last exhaust from you.
Guess you won't be buying your next one from us. (We know you didn't buy your first one )
When Miller "releases" their turbo kit I'd love to take a look at it -- a long duration after the release so all the bugs may have been worked out. Until then my options are TCD or custom. One yielding guaranteed results, with a strong company backing.
I agree. I have talked to Dan recently and have found him to be a very professional and all around nice guy. senna4ever, you just need to zip-it and go do some bookwork, starting with Corky Bell's Forced Induction. You are hurting Dan's business.Sweeney wrote: I think you are doing Dan Miller a disservice in this thread with your false claims and lack of knowledge of what you actually purchased.
We do it cause its actually pretty cheap. $3.5k for 300+whp is pretty darn cheap, even if it is more than the current value of some cars.Belisarius wrote:Two or three things to say here.
First. What a discussion! There's a bunch of stuff here that hardly matters to anyone. I mean why turbocharge a 20 year old car with a system that costs more than you can buy the car for (Of course I'm in the market so who am I to say).
Your prospects are almost nil! There is a way, and that is to hand Steve Dinan a blank check. While Dinan is out of the turbo business, Im sure hell build you a smog legal E28 for say ~$15k, like they used to cost.Second: Who makes the CALIFORNIA LEGAL kits for these cars. Unfortunately none of you do except for the NLA Dinan system. So what are my prospects for getting a smog legal system?
See above.I'm doing a little research into what it takes to get a CARB E/O and I'm more than willing to volunteer my car as the test vehicle!
Volvos are fine. No worries.Third: I drove a couple Volvo 240 Turbos in my past life before I got my 535i. When the original Turbo died the upgraded unit had a water cooled core. Originally, so the manuals said, one had to idle the car for 1 to 2 minutes to cool the turbo down otherwise the bearings would be cooked. The water jacketed core, once again so the manuals said, conducted the heat away even when the engine was off. It doesn't look like the TCD kit has a water cooled turbo. Is this a problem or was I sold a bill of goods back in the day.
Final Note: Before you all make fun of me for having a Volvo, I was, at the time, planning on building a Flathood Turbo. In 1983 Volvo produced 500 Flathood turbos for homologation. The race version, for which all the parts are still available through Steffansson Automotive in Sweeden, produced 350 hp from 2.0 liters. High boost and alcohol water injection were involved. Apparently Volvo sold all 500 Flathoods (so named because they didn't have the extended grille of the then current model) to a dealership in Texas who promptly took all the go fast parts off of 470 of them and sent them back to Sweeden. Needless to say Volvo won the Euro Touring Car Championships in I think '85 and '86 with those cars.
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We can supply you with a water cooled turbo if you like but there is no need for one. With modern oils and decent maintainance the turbo will last a long time without water cooling. I put 250K miles on my original SAAB SPG turbo... no water cooling.Belisarius wrote:It doesn't look like the TCD kit has a water cooled turbo. Is this a problem or was I sold a bill of goods back in the day.
Well that directly contradicts another staement of his from Jan 2006 in this post.This is one of our customers car. It is an e23 745i with the Miller Stage 2. Its anoter 15psi 400 HP beast with its stock turbo.
Ok, Dan himself states his 345is at 15psi made 270rwhp/330rwtq and that the turbo was totally out of breath as he puts it. We know for a fact that the stock k27 has a 47mm compressor wheel. It just cannot support 400hp under any circumstances.I Made 330 rwtq at 3100 rpm with stock turbo, but only 270 rwhp at 4700 rpm. with New turbo Im making all the power up top. Torque has moved up and hp has moved up. Dyno sheet will now look more like todds set up , he makes max torque at 4500 and max power around 6000 rpm. doesnt that tell you that the k27 is running out of air flow volume? I dont want to hear any more asumtions about the k27, I have a Bigger turbo now and I have moved the power curve up in the rpm range, and now Im making power to the redline. the stock k27 willnot make power all the way to the redline. Look at any dyno sheets for a 745i the power drops severely at 5000 rpm
I was going to stay out of this, and this will be my only post, but I have to point out:senna4ever wrote:Data to be a justified as a supecar? Umm, they have lots of data, what you think they just go slap stuff together, gimme a break. Theyre test stable includes a new m6, an 01 twin turbo M5, a 450+ hp e30, 2 e34's. And yes they do build cars form the ground up, with some aftermarket and custom manufactures parts obviously. Again you make claims you no nothing about, thats all, my main point. End it already
Yes, it would pass easily. The test here in CA don't put enough load on the engine to create boost. Off boost operation is as stock.Belisarius wrote:Theoretically, could the TCD unit w/intercooler pass California Smog?
Catback systems don't fall under smog devices in CA. So having a 3" exhaust catback is a no brainer. Its the 3" downpipe thats an issue, but to date, no one has cared at a smog check. Like you said, they only care that a cat is on the system.Say, now that I think of it, Russ, how is it that you're able to run that TCD 3" mandrel bent exhaust on your car in CA? It's not CARB approved. Of course I know the answer. I put a 3" mandrel bent, jet hot coated exhaust on my Volvo 244 Turbo and all the smog guy did was check to see if there was a cat on the thing. There was, the car passed, no worries.
Shhhh....we all know this, but don't talk about it 8) I would grind off the TCD relief on the manifold also. You can also buy a Dinan trunk badge off of ebay for more realism.I'm thinking, hypothetically of course, that if a California resident happened to install a turbo kit from, say TCD or some other provider, strictly for off road use, and, hypothetically of course, happened to have a copy of the Dinan E.O. lying around somewhere or other, the guy might not check too closely and as long as the car passed...
That can help, but is un-nessary, as the car runs like stock off boost, and the test has no boost any where in it.I used to take my Volvo on the highway for a good run before smogging. It seemed the hot turbo helped burn off the naughty gasses, I'm guessing.
I not sure what your asking me, but here they check items that are on the list for the car. The computer tells them whats on the engine, and they run down it. So, if you car should have a CE light, they verify its operable. On newer OBD-II cars, they even get codes and info from it. In my cars case, they should check for cat, charcoal recirculation system and about5 other things I can't think of right now. The last guy didn't even look at any of it accept the CE light, didn't care. Now this if for CA with the Test Only Stations, which E28 seem to be old enough they are required to go to.theseeker411 wrote:Good info Russ, but what are your experiences at visual inspection stations?
My twin turbo 6er would pass MA inspection with a gutted cat and 30# injectors... actually cleaner than stock. It's the "visual" inspection in CA that's the issue. It makes no sense (except as a revenue stream) to reject a car because it doesn't have a CARB (state sponsored extortion fee) sticker on some parts even if it runs cleaner than with stock or "approved" components.Belisarius wrote:
Back on Volvos, I knew a guy once who had an emptied out cat on his Volvo turbo and the car still passed.
What is it that makes you a "very satisfied Miller customer"? What does that photo album show us?Russianblue wrote:http://tinyurl.com/yhr689
