e28 touring....

[karl]

Erik,
I have been a wagonphile for years and would love to see it in the works.
To really throw one out there My wish would be a turbo diesel 5speed wagon.
Another minnesota winter and I may be looking for a new rolling chassis for mine.
Where are you located?

[Kameix1]

well, you got a td, and I can get the roof we need. I live in eagan, we should get together and build yours up into a wagon, you got a winter beater?? you 5er will be out of service for awhile if you wanted to wagon yours.

[karl]

It is my winter beater and it is too rusty to bother with a cargo expansion project. However the economy and style it provides allow me to commute to eagan. I hope to patch the flintstone brake access holes for the winter.

[Mike W.]

I'm somewhere in the middle guys, I'd love to see it, but doubt it will ever see completion. Don't get me wrong, I want to see it happen, I just think it's more work than you think.

And hows this for an up the ante, how about a 5er trailer. You know, like the guys who cut the cab off a pickup, extend the frame and tongue and make a pickup. I've seen it done with Corvettes and hot rods too, it would be soooooo cool with a BMW. Think about it, the trunk section of an E28 with a tongue on it for towing behind an E28 with a hitch. If only I was better at Photoshop...

[ismellfish2]

There's a guy on R3V that has an e30 trailer. It's awesome.

[Kameix1]

I'm somewhere in the middle guys, I'd love to see it, but doubt it will ever see completion. Don't get me wrong, I want to see it happen, I just think it's more work than you think.

And hows this for an up the ante, how about a 5er trailer. You know, like the guys who cut the cab off a pickup, extend the frame and tongue and make a pickup. I've seen it done with Corvettes and hot rods too, it would be soooooo cool with a BMW. Think about it, the trunk section of an E28 with a tongue on it for towing behind an E28 with a hitch. If only I was better at Photoshop...

did you read all of the posts? I said a couple of times that THIS WILL BE A HARD PROJECT Read the GOD DAMN POSTS!!!!! Ive already had the idea of a 5er trailer but have no use for that.

[Kameix1]

I'm somewhere in the middle guys, I'd love to see it, but doubt it will ever see completion. Don't get me wrong, I want to see it happen, I just think it's more work than you think.

And hows this for an up the ante, how about a 5er trailer. You know, like the guys who cut the cab off a pickup, extend the frame and tongue and make a pickup. I've seen it done with Corvettes and hot rods too, it would be soooooo cool with a BMW. Think about it, the trunk section of an E28 with a tongue on it for towing behind an E28 with a hitch. If only I was better at Photoshop...

did you read all of the posts? I said a couple of times that THIS WILL BE A HARD PROJECT Read the GOD DAMN POSTS!!!!! Ive already had the idea of a 5er trailer but have no use for that.

Sorry, im a little upset that no one reads the full post before replying to it. You are like the fourth person to say " I just think it's more work than you think. " and this is the third time ive said "i know it will be alot of work"

So please for future reference read the whole post before you reply, then I wont get angry. Sorry if I offended anyone with that last rant.

[Eric_V]

Erik J,

With all due respect, but how are you going to push through with this project if you jump up like a herd of fleas, just because four people made the same comment?

No offence....

[Rhino]

All i have to say is good luck. I am really glad you are working on it. 8)

[Kameix1]

Erik J,

With all due respect, but how are you going to push through with this project if you jump up like a herd of fleas, just because four people made the same comment?

No offence....

Because these people are obviously not reading what Im saying otherwise they would not be repeating each other and telling me something that I had stated at the start. I know how much work this will be, ive done many many projects like this, I work at a junk yard for crying out load what do you think we do when there is nothing going on? We build stupid crap out of other stupid crap. If you have something NEW to say then I will answer it, but if your going to be a retard and repeat the same thing then you will not get a response from me.

Also, for all of you who dont think that I cant build this... what are you basing your assumption on?? is the fact that you have never met me? that you dont know what my background is in car building?? or is the fact that you think no one is as good as you are so there is no way I can do this because you know you cant?? Please enlighten me on how you can tell what I can and cant do based on a few words typed on a internet forum. If only I could be as keen about what others I have never met can do I would not go to certian places I have never heard of because I can sense that they dont know what they are doing....

[C.R. Krieger]

Also, for all of you who dont think that I cant build this... what are you basing your assumption on?? is the fact that you have never met me? that you dont know what my background is in car building?? or is the fact that you think no one is as good as you are so there is no way I can do this because you know you cant??

Yes, yes, and, essentially, yes.

Please enlighten me on how you can tell what I can and cant do based on a few words typed on a internet forum.

See the above. Some of us also said something like the same thing when some guy went off measuring Saab moonroofs to see if they'd fit on our cars. So it comes down to this: The only way to convince us you can do this is to a) show us similar work you've done in the past or b) do it. You have been advised of the difficulties you will face and you seem willing to accept those risks. So why are you still here whining about our advice? You've got work to do.

[Kameix1]

Also, for all of you who dont think that I cant build this... what are you basing your assumption on?? is the fact that you have never met me? that you dont know what my background is in car building?? or is the fact that you think no one is as good as you are so there is no way I can do this because you know you cant??

Yes, yes, and, essentially, yes.

Please enlighten me on how you can tell what I can and cant do based on a few words typed on a internet forum.

See the above. Some of us also said something like the same thing when some guy went off measuring Saab moonroofs to see if they'd fit on our cars. So it comes down to this: The only way to convince us you can do this is to a) show us similar work you've done in the past or b) do it. You have been advised of the difficulties you will face and you seem willing to accept those risks. So why are you still here whining about our advice? You've got work to do.

Did you read all the posts?? you must've missed the one that I said this....

Alright, well some of you guys want me to build this thing, so im going to gather the parts, but im not going to spend any money on them. It will be slow going but Ive found a Vixen 21xc ( http://www.vixenrv.com/vixen_history.php ) and would rather have that than a e28 touring.

[Jeremy]

It will be slow going but Ive found a Vixen 21xc ( http://www.vixenrv.com/vixen_history.php ) and would rather have that than a e28 touring.

Krieger's right. There's a lot of naysaying "you can't do that" types around. The only way to shut them up is to do it and share the results. I wish you luck if you should attempt it, take lots of pictures.

As for the Vixen . . . yea, it's kinda cool and all, but I think I'd rather have something that does 0-60 in less than . . . waitaminute, will the Vixen even hit 60?

So I'm encouraging you to go for the Touring conversion, parts are easier to fab and/or find.

Jeremy

[Kameix1]

Also, for all of you who dont think that I cant build this... what are you basing your assumption on?? is the fact that you have never met me? that you dont know what my background is in car building?? or is the fact that you think no one is as good as you are so there is no way I can do this because you know you cant??

Yes, yes, and, essentially, yes.

Please enlighten me on how you can tell what I can and cant do based on a few words typed on a internet forum.

See the above. Some of us also said something like the same thing when some guy went off measuring Saab moonroofs to see if they'd fit on our cars. So it comes down to this: The only way to convince us you can do this is to a) show us similar work you've done in the past or b) do it. You have been advised of the difficulties you will face and you seem willing to accept those risks. So why are you still here whining about our advice? You've got work to do.

oh and if you want to see what ive done before, here is the dodge challenger i built. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=36543&highlight=

[Kameix1]

It will be slow going but Ive found a Vixen 21xc ( http://www.vixenrv.com/vixen_history.php ) and would rather have that than a e28 touring.

Krieger's right. There's a lot of naysaying "you can't do that" types around. The only way to shut them up is to do it and share the results. I wish you luck if you should attempt it, take lots of pictures.

As for the Vixen . . . yea, it's kinda cool and all, but I think I'd rather have something that does 0-60 in less than . . . waitaminute, will the Vixen even hit 60?

So I'm encouraging you to go for the Touring conversion, parts are easier to fab and/or find.


From what they say, the vixen has a top speed of 100 mph, im just interested in the fact that it gets 30+ mpg. Ive got cars that are very very fast.
Jeremy

[C.R. Krieger]

oh and if you want to see what ive done before, here is the dodge challenger i built. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=36543&highlight=

Your Challenger is gorgeous, but it is still a reassembly/rebuild of a stock Mopar. None of it is custom panel fabrication and custom glass fitting. You still have work to do. Good luck.

[Kameix1]

oh and if you want to see what ive done before, here is the dodge challenger i built. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=36543&highlight=

Your Challenger is gorgeous, but it is still a reassembly/rebuild of a stock Mopar. None of it is custom panel fabrication and custom glass fitting. You still have work to do. Good luck.

Thank you, you should see it in person (Stuart in MN has)

Quarters had to be cut and welded to get rid of rust, floor pan had to be replaced.

[Tammer in Philly]

The e34, e46, e39 and e60 were all production BMW models. I can get parts for those. I cant get parts for an e28 touring.

There was a factory E30 touring as well; I love those. There are 5 or 6 of them in this country, of which at least 2 are living in my home state (Indiana).

I am a huge fan of BMW tourings in general (this is in response to the "why why why" post). Then again, I'm the guy who drove a C6 and was really impressed, but can't bear the thought of ever owning one (even if I could afford it, which I can't) because I can't stomach the thought of piloting a giant penis down the road. The BMW tourings USUALLY have great proportions. They are supremely practical, perform just as well as the sedans, and are practically invisible to pigs, I mean wallet rapists, I mean tax collectors, I mean law enforcement.

The E28 tourings I've seen, however, have been all wrong. They move the wide C-pillar back to the D-pillar position, which shifts the visual mass of the car back behind the rear axle. The result looks more ass-heavy than a 911 and more ungainly than a 6'4" 12-year-old. A big part of the E28's visual appeal (for me) is the ever-so-subtle slope of the rear deck. The touring adds in all that bulk where the stock sedan is so delicate. Looks like ass.

But if you want to try it (to the OP), go for it! I'd love to see it done just because my fabrication "skills" ... aren't.

-tammer <--wants an S50B32-powered E30 touring. There's one in Canada, but it's impossible to import .....

[Mike W.]

did you read all of the posts? I said a couple of times that THIS WILL BE A HARD PROJECT Read the GOD DAMN POSTS!!!!!

Yes, I did read the posts, all of them. It appeared you were soliciting opinions, and I gave mine, and I'm skeptical. I didn't condemn you or your idea, I just said directly what others had alluded to. And I only said it once...

My opinion is unchanged by your shouting, I would love to see it, and I'll salute you when I do, but until I see it....

[JohnH]

The E28 tourings I've seen, however, have been all wrong. They move the wide C-pillar back to the D-pillar position, which shifts the visual mass of the car back behind the rear axle. The result looks more ass-heavy than a 911 and more ungainly than a 6'4" 12-year-old. A big part of the E28's visual appeal (for me) is the ever-so-subtle slope of the rear deck. The touring adds in all that bulk where the stock sedan is so delicate. Looks like ass

I agree, so the smart way to build an E28 Touring would be to get the tailgate from an E30 Touring and widen it a bit, and also grab the rear pillars, roof and side glass, plus the floor and lock bit, and then the folding rear seat etc. Infact everything from the B pillar back.

On the other hand you could graft an E28 front end on . . .

[euro635gas]

Ugly ugly ugly
I'd rather drive a dasher

[Mike W.]

I'd rather drive a dasher

Hey, they were cool cars back in the 70's when they were new. A friend had one I drove some and it was quite nice compared to my cars. However at best, one can say they haven't aged well.

[Kameix1]

I dont even know what a Dasher is....

[stuartinmn]

There is a similarity...

VW Dasher station wagon

[C.R. Krieger]

There is a similarity...

VW Dasher station wagon

Where they are dissimilar is that their belt-driven OHC engine is noninterference. Ask me how I know ...

Y'know, you could do worse than to measure the body width and roof contour of a Dasher wagon (rashly assuming you could ever find one!) to see if it might graft onto the E28. It fits the lines pretty well, IMHO. At least then you could use the VW stuff and have no glass cutting to do.

[karl]

There was a VW Quantum Turbo diesel wagon on E Bay a couple days ago...big money though. +$3K.

How about an audi 5000 avant for size? Should be similar in size to the quantum wagon.

[Mike W.]

Y'know, you could do worse than to measure the body width and roof contour of a Dasher wagon

Without a tape measure in hand, I'd have to guess they are much more like a 3 series in size than a 5. But come to think of it, I never see them in the yards, I swear I see more Peugeot wagons than Dasher wagons. Or Dashers period. (You do realize California is somewhat different)

[bimmerboy]

Did Dashers have the 10v? You gotta love any car with the 10v. You can pretty much just beat the piss out of them without any damage, like Krieger said, you can even break a timing belt and nothing go wrong! Not the best performer, but I'd love a quantum wagon, especially a syncro.

[C.R. Krieger]

Did Dashers have the 10v? You gotta love any car with the 10v. You can pretty much just beat the piss out of them without any damage, like Krieger said, you can even break a timing belt and nothing go wrong! Not the best performer, but I'd love a quantum wagon, especially a syncro.

Actually, the Dasher I remember had a 1.7(?) 8 valve. I don't think any Dasher got the I-5 and I further don't think the I-5 is a noninterference engine. I know the warnings are just as strong and dire about them as they are about the eta. The Quantum was later and bigger, based on a chassis shared with the Audi 80/90/4000 while the Dasher was based on the older Fox platform. Come to think of it, that (Quantum) would probably be a better choice of wagon butts, if you could find one.



The suggestion about the Audi Type 44 (100/200) wagon might be a good one, but those cars are fairly desirable in the Audi community. The other downside is, they didn't rust out instantly like those old VWs did, so most are kept on the road instead of cut up. I suspect the biggest problem may be that they are too rounded, both laterally and lengthwise, for the E28 body.



The Pigout 505 body though ...