A rust free example bites the dust.

[1st 5er]

HOW THE SHIT DID YOU BREAK THE TIRES LOOSE IN A 528E??????

You said it, I was just thinking it.

You gotta know how to drive 'em!
Which as evidenced, I don't.

Maybe a bit of "hydroplaning" at just the wrong time, there is ever so slight a curve there.
I really don't know...

Texas concrete, fresh oil, a bit of rain- that's all it takes.

I'd really like to see a better pic of the seat frame. That failure could have been beneficial if it spread the forces out a bit more. Still scary though. I had a 535 with E30 sports fitted by drilling new holes in the floor. Makes me wonder...

Go see what the doc says about being okay. Cindy did something similar in her Z28. She felt fine at the time but a week later she started passing out. Damaged C1-C5.

Take care,

dj

After the adjuster comes and looks at it and does his assessment I'll do some digging around and take some pics of the seat bottom after removal.

Was the floorpan rusty in that part of the car? Is the E28 designed to fail in this way?

I know of no rust, but I'll look and let you know.

If you noticed, the leather ripped along the midway point on the front of the seat bottom.
I'm guessing that the back of my leg, between the knee and calf, caught the front top edge of the seat as it went backwards, just prior to the mounting nuts breaking loose.
I think, the breaking loose, actually did help, as Paul said, "reduce the decel event".

I carry full coverage insurance on all our daily drivers just in case something like this happens.
I presently can best afford to make a small monthly payment to Allstate rather than take the huge financial hit the something like this could entail.

Thanks for the medical tips.
My wife works in the medical field and is not easy to get along with if there is any balking when it comes to things like this.
Which ain't a bad thing.

[Shawn D.]

100% of E28 owners should be paying attention to the seat coming out of the floor.

Was the floorpan rusty in that part of the car? Is the E28 designed to fail in this way?

"Designed to"? Probably not, but the failure is not unreasonable. The mounting is probably a 98% solution, and gaining another 1% just isn't worth it due to cost and/or complexity issues.

[a]

Glad you fared as well as you did. All the time I ran my cars on old tires , I had this scenario bouncing around.just over the horizon. Dry, the worn out, mismatched treads were fine. Add a morning dew and they became.. interesting. Finally, as BB Shiftless's stumble at tip in has eluded me, I put 400$ worth of tires on a 500$ car and B6 II has become Marina's DD.

[cgraff]

100% of E28 owners should be paying attention to the seat coming out of the floor.

Was the floorpan rusty in that part of the car? Is the E28 designed to fail in this way?

"Designed to"? Probably not, but the failure is not unreasonable. The mounting is probably a 98% solution, and gaining another 1% just isn't worth it due to cost and/or complexity issues.

I can't tell exactly from the pictures, but it looks like the left side mount had sheared where the threaded sleeve welds to the floor. It looks perfectly round metal that the bolt is still threaded into that sheared from the floor.

I *think* I can see the bolt on the right side mount, but again, I can't make it out for certain in the pictures.

Either way, it's a lot of force, and those mounts probably weren't designed with a hit that hard from the rear, and the load paths that were being put through them.



-Chris

[djazz]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Missed this part. I'd say go for it. Shoot, if I had the cash I would! Royal Blue is my fave color for an E28 and I want to do a turbo super eta or E30 at some point in the future.

dj

[1st 5er]

I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day.

Us too...

[a]

100% of E28 owners should be paying attention to the seat coming out of the floor.

Was the floorpan rusty in that part of the car? Is the E28 designed to fail in this way?

"Designed to"? Probably not, but the failure is not unreasonable. The mounting is probably a 98% solution, and gaining another 1% just isn't worth it due to cost and/or complexity issues.

I can't tell exactly from the pictures, but it looks like the left side mount had sheared where the threaded sleeve welds to the floor. It looks perfectly round metal that the bolt is still threaded into that sheared from the floor.

I *think* I can see the bolt on the right side mount, but again, I can't make it out for certain in the pictures.

Either way, it's a lot of force, and those mounts probably weren't designed with a hit that hard from the rear, and the load paths that were being put through them.



-Chris

Eeeep . I repaired one of those captive nuts on Aaron's 533i . I cut the area out of a parts car and used 24 rivets to over lay the piece. The structure is just folded sheet metal with elongated holes stamped out of it for lightness and "crush" . The entire structure of the car is folded and tack welded out of metal pieces. Origami done in sheet metal. My guess is the letting go of the mounts absorbed some energy. By design , kinda sorta. In that the same construction is used throughout the car. To give the structure lightness, flexibility in one direction and strength in another.

[funfunfer]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Road Trip! FlySWA to Oakland for $169 and we can drive it back straight thru in a weekend. That's a really nice looking car BTW.

[1st 5er]

...mount had sheared where the threaded sleeve welds to the floor.
-Chris

Both sides are the same.
The threaded sleeves pulled through the floor, and there was no rust.

Not sure the exact speed at time of impact, I'm guessing somewhere in the very high 30's to low 40's.
Road and grass were wet, so not sure how much deceleration occurred in the 100 +/- feet we traveled prior to the final impact.
I do know that when we hit the sign's base, our speed went to zero instantaneously as the sign base we hit had no forgiveness what so ever.
The stone surfaced structure show no signs of the impact.
The tracks in the grass and a very small amount of debris was the only evidence we left.

Based on my experience, I'd say that the seat bolt sleeves ripping through the floor were a good thing as opposed to the seat back breaking loose, as that translates into bodily injury scenarios.
Head on? I'm afraid to even think what the result would have been.
I'm just thankful it turned out like it did.

[1st 5er]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Road Trip! FlySWA to Oakland for $169 and we can drive it back straight thru in a weekend. That's a really nice looking car BTW.

Is that "we" an offer?
Haven't heard back from the seller yet.

My son wants an E30 his Navy friend has is Ridgecrest, CA.
It's a perfect exterior and interior car, with a blown motor.
He's been after me on helping him get it back here.
Could we take this car's motor in carry on luggage and drive them both back?

[stuartinmn]

The front seat mounting bolts can tear out of the floor, even if you don't get in a collision...it happened to my car some years back. I could see there had been rust developing inside the box channel where they are fastened. I took it to a body shop and they welded in a length of 1" (if I remember correctly) box tubing to reinforce it.

[davintosh]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Road Trip! FlySWA to Oakland for $169 and we can drive it back straight thru in a weekend. That's a really nice looking car BTW.

Is that "we" an offer?
Haven't heard back from the seller yet.

My son wants an E30 his Navy friend has is Ridgecrest, CA.
It's a perfect exterior and interior car, with a blown motor.
He's been after me on helping him get it back here.
Could we take this car's motor in carry on luggage and drive them both back?

Umm... you might have a little trouble getting the overhead bin to close with an M20 up thar. Just sayin...

Please, buy that clean blue machine so it stops tempting me.

Hold on; you said you've got a replacement "... in the backyard already"? Details?

[1st 5er]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Road Trip! FlySWA to Oakland for $169 and we can drive it back straight thru in a weekend. That's a really nice looking car BTW.

Is that "we" an offer?
Haven't heard back from the seller yet.

My son wants an E30 his Navy friend has is Ridgecrest, CA.
It's a perfect exterior and interior car, with a blown motor.
He's been after me on helping him get it back here.
Could we take this car's motor in carry on luggage and drive them both back?

Umm... you might have a little trouble getting the overhead bin to close with an M20 up thar. Just sayin...

Please, buy that clean blue machine so it stops tempting me.

Hold on; you said you've got a replacement "... in the backyard already"? Details?

I'd just installed that new head.
That '86 Schwarzie might be getting some lovin'.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=733132

[djazz]

They(M20s) are really not all that big once you remove everything.

And the replacement isn't all that bad. I think it had bad karma due to a previous owner's misrepresentations but I worked all the evil spirits out and certainly hope they were gone at the price I sold it. I just had to clear out the E28 stuff so Cin would agree that I should get the M5. er... I mean

dj

[Mike W.]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Road Trip! FlySWA to Oakland for $169 and we can drive it back straight thru in a weekend. That's a really nice looking car BTW.

Is that "we" an offer?
Haven't heard back from the seller yet.

My son wants an E30 his Navy friend has is Ridgecrest, CA.
It's a perfect exterior and interior car, with a blown motor.
He's been after me on helping him get it back here.
Could we take this car's motor in carry on luggage and drive them both back?

Umm... you might have a little trouble getting the overhead bin to close with an M20 up thar. Just sayin...

I'd think closing it would be a piece of cake if you got it in there.

[Machtig]

...mount had sheared where the threaded sleeve welds to the floor.
-Chris

Based on my experience, I'd say that the seat bolt sleeves ripping through the floor were a good thing as opposed to the seat back breaking loose, as that translates into bodily injury scenarios.
Head on? I'm afraid to even think what the result would have been.
I'm just thankful it turned out like it did.

Head on would be much less energy transfer to the bolts holding down the seat. In a collision like you had, the seat itself is taking the brunt of the kinetic energy contained in yourself AND the seat. In a head on collision, the seat belt (assuming you are wearing it) would take the brunt of your kinetic energy. The seat bolts would just have to absorb the kinetic energy of the seat itself in that case.

[1st 5er]

...mount had sheared where the threaded sleeve welds to the floor.
-Chris

Based on my experience, I'd say that the seat bolt sleeves ripping through the floor were a good thing as opposed to the seat back breaking loose, as that translates into bodily injury scenarios.
Head on? I'm afraid to even think what the result would have been.
I'm just thankful it turned out like it did.

Head on would be much less energy transfer to the bolts holding down the seat. In a collision like you had, the seat itself is taking the brunt of the kinetic energy contained in yourself AND the seat. In a head on collision, the seat belt (assuming you are wearing it) would take the brunt of your kinetic energy. The seat bolts would just have to absorb the kinetic energy of the seat itself in that case.

Yes we were both strapped in, then and always.
I wasn't referring to the seat, and it's mounting, doing anything safety related in a front end collision.
I was referring to the bodily injury probabilities resulting from this type of impact.
Even with us both wearing our seat/shoulder belts, I'd hate to see what the... never mind, not going there.

[bimmerman78]

OMG Sherman,
We include you in prayers. Get your spine checked out buddy. Jen's cousin is a chiropractor, he can X-Ray you and determine what you need, if anything.

How are you feeling?

Memo

[1st 5er]

Yeah, life's a beach at times, and believe it or not, I'm all good.

She's gonna be missed, since the 5 speed swap she was just plain fun to drive.

The Touring settlement was a piece of cake.
My first conversation with the total loss guy started good but didn't end well.
Hopefully my agent will get through to a supervisor and I'll get some good news later today.
He suggested to me that I have at least a NADA average condition vehicle and should be paid accordingly.
http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/ ... dan/Values
I, of course agreed, saying, "I could work with that".
I like Jeff.

[sixeye]

Damn Sherman, you better be careful on your way to Austin next weekend!

I'm sorry to see this. I was actually near your house again on Tuesday and the weather was naaasty. Glad you're alright, that impact looked pretty rough.

[E21Adam]

OMG! That's awful Sherman! I'm glad you're ok though! Hopefully some good will come out of it somehow.

[funfunfer]

Although this is ever so tempting.

Road Trip! FlySWA to Oakland for $169 and we can drive it back straight thru in a weekend. That's a really nice looking car BTW.

Is that "we" an offer?
Haven't heard back from the seller yet.

My son wants an E30 his Navy friend has is Ridgecrest, CA.
It's a perfect exterior and interior car, with a blown motor.
He's been after me on helping him get it back here.
Could we take this car's motor in carry on luggage and drive them both back?

Sure. That's a real "we" offer. Not too sure about the carry on luggage. we may have to buy a seat for the motor. or slap a hitch on the "super e" and haul the E-30 (suggest dropping the motor out first) on aU-Haul dolly.

[1st 5er]

Passenger side front seat.

[djazz]

Wow, Sherman. That's another point to show how lucky ya'll were. I would rather those forces be spread across the entire seat frames than just a seatbelt. Probably saved your son some serious aches and pains at the very least. Your guardian angels have been working overtime my friend.

dj

[1st 5er]

[1st 5er]

Ending up settling the loss for $3,000 ca$h + $500 deductible, which is close to what the car is worth to me.
The $103 salvage-buy-back makes the bottom line agreeable.

Now will come the task of transferring parts to dj's old ride and parting this sucker out.

I'll post a thread in "For Sale / Wanted - Parts" section in a week or so and post a link here to it.
If there's anything you want to call dibs on, get you post in first (please no PM's at this time), feel free to include your WTB price minus shipping.
The 5 speed swap complete package is tentatively spoken for as are the front-end components.

Hint, hint - there's a brand new head on there with less than 500 miles on it.

[benfidar]

Good God That is what 40mph looks like???
Grazie dio, that you are ok.

On the part out, though, how much you want for that near-side quarter-panel?

[1st 5er]

Good God That is what 40mph looks like???
Grazie dio, that you are ok.

On the part out, though, how much you want for that near-side quarter-panel?

That's going to hang over the fireplace mantel beside my wife's door.


...and here's the fireplace, any photoshop experts out there?

[Mike W.]

You mean like this?

[1st 5er]

You mean like this?

No, side by side. Her door on the left, my rear quarter on the right, or vice-versa (sp).

I just might be able to sell her on that. NOT!!!