Dieselboost's 524compoundTD

[Zubcho]

Pls give as some pics and more info about the upgrades you have made.

[DieselBoost]

Pls give as some pics and more info about the upgrades you have made.

about my car or my friends car?

http://irc-galleria.net/user/Laskeuma/picture/104062814

this is from my friends 524TD

[Zubcho]

Pls give as some pics and more info about the upgrades you have made.

about my car or my friends car?

http://irc-galleria.net/user/Laskeuma/picture/104062814

this is from my friends 524TD

About your car

[DieselBoost]

ok.....

chassis front
-Koni sport adjustable shock absorters with cobra 45mm lowering springs.
-all powerflex urethane bushes
-all arms replaced with new ones

Chassis rear
-Bilstein new stock shock absorters with cobra 35mm lowering springs
-Powerflex urethane main bushes
-differential is from 520i and it is quite short

Engine

M21D24 from 1991 324TD

engine is refurbished, exception block which is opened only for replacing oil pump with new one.

cylinderhead is cleaned and valves and valve seats are machined, surface is machined.
stock head gasket gemented with vht copper gasket gemetn.
stock head studs
stock cam with timing littlebit earlier.

injection pump with cummins 12mm rotorhead and cummins stock cam plate. and many fine tunes by Pp-Diesel
Timing is 1.15mm before tdc

-gearbox stock getrac 260 5
-Clutch sachsracing 240mm(m5) with stock plate
-528i solid flywheel (240mm)

modified intake manifold
Large intercooler and radiator maded by I Raatikainen
(Erikoishitsaus raatikainen)

stock (524TD)exhaust manifold with my fitting flange with exhaust temperature and exhaust pressure outputs.

Turbo
Master Power SUPER 70 F-2 REFLOW
Model: 802315-063
compressor: 56,5mm
compressor a/r: .70
Turbine: 58,5mm
exhaust a/r: .63
flange: T3
power: 350-490hv

3" downpipe and 3" straight pipe

exteriour

-Color Toytota 162
-Rims ? 17" 7" wide
-Tires hankook ventus k110 215R1745
-rear wing from opel ascona c irmscher

so... nothing very special included for this

there is about 200+?????? power now.

These mods with stock injection pump i had 191hp

now.... much more....

superturbo engine is underconstruction....and in ice...... until i get new job....

[DieselBoost]

so..... some people are thinking to get more liftpressure for injection pump....

i got answers from my pump builder....

never exceed casing pressure of injection pump...

[DieselBoost]

damn... my wet dream
I need more money and bigger garage
In some day i will get a "real" diesel car for my diesel performance projects
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/358 ... 4d7f11.jpg

This is little bit too bligbling for me..... maybe race truck look fits better to me

[DieselBoost]

now im working with water/methanol spray system in my 524

only bad thing is that..... im totally broke...

so must use my creativity with this.....and freebie parts

this is my plan...

-two car headlight washer pumps connected in sequence to get about 4bar pressure.
- oil burner nozzle
-pressure Switch
-limit pressure valve
-self maded tank
-flow controller valve

to increasing water pressure i connect hose from turbo to water tank..

when pumps are making 4bar then boost make extra pressure about 2bar in tank..... i got allmost 6bar waterpressure

and nozzle fitted just before intake manifold

im not making this to get more power...... only to get exhausta/burning gasses little bit cooler and engine lasting longer.

[CoyoteStarfish]

If you want pressure...I suggest you don't use vane style fluid pumps designed for flow and volume. I would use compressed air to pressurize a sealed tank of water/methanol using a small and cheap air compressor designed for inflating tires to pressurize a tank with water/methanol inside.

One option, If you fill the tank with 75% mix and leave 25% air and pressurize it to something crazy like 9 or 10(135-140PSI) bar, it should have enough pressure to push the entire charge of mix out of the tank. You can use a fuel pressure regulator to regulate the pressure of mix leaving the tank if you need to.

Second option is more difficult and more expensive, use the same idea as above but leave the compressor attached, wire it up to a pressure shut-off switch that will limit tank pressure to your desired pressure.

[Frybrid 524td]

Methanol injection isn't advisable in an IDI engine based on what I've read. I plan on adding just water injection at some point after turbo, I/C, and head upgrades.

[DieselBoost]

Methanol injection isn't advisable in an IDI engine based on what I've read. I plan on adding just water injection at some point after turbo, I/C, and head upgrades.

Ok..... in finland we have used methanol/water injection for years..... and it works fine.... in our engines..... only point is dont put too much methanol max 30%

[DieselBoost]

If you want pressure...I suggest you don't use vane style fluid pumps designed for flow and volume. I would use compressed air to pressurize a sealed tank of water/methanol using a small and cheap air compressor designed for inflating tires to pressurize a tank with water/methanol inside.

One option, If you fill the tank with 75% mix and leave 25% air and pressurize it to something crazy like 9 or 10(135-140PSI) bar, it should have enough pressure to push the entire charge of mix out of the tank. You can use a fuel pressure regulator to regulate the pressure of mix leaving the tank if you need to.

Second option is more difficult and more expensive, use the same idea as above but leave the compressor attached, wire it up to a pressure shut-off switch that will limit tank pressure to your desired pressure.

only thing is that those small compressors cant take it.

and if you use those HEADLIGHT washer pumps which are larger.... they can make pressure..... one friend told that he has measured allmost 13bar pressure with those.

this system is what im going to make is used largely in here.
and it works.

and allmost all my parts are free.
i just got pressure switch for free.

[CoyoteStarfish]

13 bar...

That is pretty impressive. I say go for it then! Let us know how it turns out.

[DieselBoost]

13 bar...

That is pretty impressive. I say go for it then! Let us know how it turns out.

i will.

[DieselBoost]

I has new parts..... just bought devils own water spray nozzle and pressure limit valve

but no water games for while..... too freezy to play with water

[Frybrid 524td]

Nice! I'm hoping to put a Cooling Mist kit on someday.

[einstein57]

Hay guys. I'm a total newb when it comes to diesels but I'm pretty comfartable boosting m20s. So just to be clear if I want a moddest increase in boost say 1.5 bar i'd just need to put a bigger turbo and a stronger internal wastegate? No bigger injectors or other mods. Sounds like the factory pump will handle the rest with no mods for my power goals.

[DieselBoost]

Hay guys. I'm a total newb when it comes to diesels but I'm pretty comfartable boosting m20s. So just to be clear if I want a moddest increase in boost say 1.5 bar i'd just need to put a bigger turbo and a stronger internal wastegate? No bigger injectors or other mods. Sounds like the factory pump will handle the rest with no mods for my power goals.

yes.... no bigger mods..... only fine tuning with injection pump...

[einstein57]

Awesome. Guess we will find out how much torque an auto can take. Lol

[Frybrid 524td]

Guess we will find out how much torque an auto can take

FWIW I'm planning to swap in some 4HP24 internals into my 4HP22 sometime this summer to beef it up a bit (That and my A clutch pack needs tending to).
http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk ... oductId=51

[einstein57]

Wow thats a lot of coin. Really its not but its more then i'm willing to spend on a 25 year old transmission. I'm going to do a 5 speed swap and install a 2.93 lsd when the auto finally gives out. Its pretty smooth and has only 150k miles so it may take a while

[Frybrid 524td]

I'll be working on my A/T myself. No way in hell I'm shipping it to the U.K. and spending that kind of money.

[DieselBoost]

Ok nothing new on my car.... but....

I just got back to home from dyno....

quite nice dyno run from my friends mb 190D over 380bhp and about 560nm torque
with water spray system power decreased about 5kw but this was only water.... not methanol/water mix

funny thing was when we was going to dyno, my friend tested his car and when 3rd gear was in..... suddenly BOOM!.... and there wasn't 3rd gear anymore.....

engine is basically unopened non turbo om603 300D engine
mods are
-garrett gt40 turbo
-holysmokediesel injectionpump with 7mm plungers
-large chinacooler
-special exhaustmanifold and 3.5" exhaust system
-special plenum
-devils own water/alcohol injection system

[Frybrid 524td]

380 out of a 190D?

[DieselBoost]

380 out of a 190D?

wait for the videos

[DieselBoost]

And here is the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA46Xz3mJzw

[CoyoteStarfish]

Ohhh. Nice.

[DieselBoost]

new st mercedes burnout video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMP6FBJF6lQ

[CoyoteStarfish]

Oh DB, where art thou? Haven't heard from you in a while.

[DieselBoost]

Oh DB, where art thou? Haven't heard from you in a while.

Here!

And unfortunately there is nothing new with my project
but i can tell few funny things with other cars

that 190diesel is now former one... engine exploded
but there is now new engine OM606 24valve turbodiesel with all fun stuff from old engine...

but it seems that my project is really on ice until i get that new job...

[Angelic0-]

I love diesel...

I have a E36 ti (Compact) with a M57 swap (i am yet to complete)

but you can read through my thread on bimmerforums if you like..

i must get one of those 324 / 524tds engines to fiddle with..

i also have a Cummins 5.9 with a P7100 pump... makes about 350whp with the original turbo & injectors... it's unbeleiveable !

here's a link to my E36 M57 thread:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh ... ?t=1558481

and here's a picture of my Cummins truck drifting:

[CoyoteStarfish]

Nice truck. Welcome to the forum.

The M21 diesel isn't the best BMW diesel engine to play with. They have a lot of weaknesses. Personally I'm looking to import a n M51 from Germany later this year..

As far as I know the M51 was the last BMW diesel motor to use mechanical injection (despite the VP44 electronic injection pump which I would replace immediately) P-pump it, or use a maxed out VE injection pump with Cummins internals. I just hate computers mixing with engines.

[DieselBoost]

The M21 diesel isn't the best BMW diesel engine to play with. They have a lot of weaknesses. Personally I'm looking to import a n M51 from Germany later this year..

and you are not get anything better with that...
both engines are similar crap piles...

One guy from our holysmokediesel club has now mls gasket with stock head bolts in m21... and no problems anymore...

in both engines.. same problem... bigger radiator and better head gasket... and you can rock with these engines...

in m51 you need mls gasket too... or you get same result what you get with m21...

I have lot of new information from these engines, because we now have few other guys who like to play and test with these engines...

[DieselBoost]

But... there is no such small diesel engine like mercedes om606

[Angelic0-]

The M21 diesel isn't the best BMW diesel engine to play with. They have a lot of weaknesses. Personally I'm looking to import a n M51 from Germany later this year..

and you are not get anything better with that...
both engines are similar crap piles...

One guy from our holysmokediesel club has now mls gasket with stock head bolts in m21... and no problems anymore...

in both engines.. same problem... bigger radiator and better head gasket... and you can rock with these engines...

in m51 you need mls gasket too... or you get same result what you get with m21...

I have lot of new information from these engines, because we now have few other guys who like to play and test with these engines...

Does the M21 use the VE pump ?

A friend of mine uses the VP44 with good success, but i can see why you would want to swap it out !

I suggest a M57 and using the interior loom as i did, not so much trouble and they make around 270whp and 650nm in stock configuration with only ECU reflash...

I always wanted to swap one into a E28, and maybe one day i will

Consumption is also unbeleiveable @ 60mpg in Highway use !

You wouldn't beleive it until you've tried it

[DieselBoost]

Does the M21 use the VE pump ?

A friend of mine uses the VP44 with good success, but i can see why you would want to swap it out !

I suggest a M57 and using the interior loom as i did, not so much trouble and they make around 270whp and 650nm in stock configuration with only ECU reflash...

I always wanted to swap one into a E28, and maybe one day i will

Consumption is also unbeleiveable @ 60mpg in Highway use !

You wouldn't beleive it until you've tried it

yes ve6 injection pump
m57... answer is direct injection shit...

and by the way... we have more than 270whp in our m21 engines...

and i can say... turbo is former turbo if you only reflashing ecu... stock turbo cant take it

second thing... m21 engine is quite badass engine from block
stock crank shaft is forged... and connecting rods are very strong make with 26mm piston pin.

and if i choose m57... there must be more than 500hp

mechanical injection pump is best for these engines.... and if i change injection pump... i will go for inline pump with 8mm plungers from mercedes made by mynädiesel

or if i change engine... i will take mercedes om606turbo engine...
it can take unopended over 500hp
and only these mods are needed.
-large intercooler
-bigger turbo
-7mm or 8mm plungers to injection pump
-exhaust manifold with 3,5" pipe

most powerfull om606 has over 700hp and over 1200nm
and it is 3.0L engine

here is one badass bmw from finland...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDK3K2TlAWs

with mercedes om606 engine and 362,2kw 760,2nm

and final thought... swapping is only swapping... and chip tuning is not real performance... (sorry if im saying too straight)


m21 gives me a challenge

[DieselBoost]

and Angelic0-

at least we have something common...

i have little piece of cummins in my injection pump
12mm rotorhead and 3.2mm cam plate
although it is from 1stg ram

[CoyoteStarfish]

and you are not get anything better with that...
both engines are similar crap piles...

Well I can't speak from experience since we don't have M51s here in the states. However, the idea of a timing chain driven second generation diesel with less head failures doesn't sound so bad.

M51 + MLS head gasket sounds like a good mix to me and if you consider:

The M21 parts are not available in the US, I already shop overseas for spares.
The M51 production numbers outweighed the M21 production numbers by a huge margin, which brings us to price.
M51 engines and parts are cheap, I just have to wait for them to make it over to the US when I want to buy them.
M51 didn't have the same cam wear issues the M21 does.


I am totally in agreement for the OM606. Bad ass engine. I would love a little 400+HP all wheel drive Mercedes W163 powered by an OM606.

You know, for the misses.

...And when my E28 breaks down.

[CoyoteStarfish]

Does the M21 use the VE pump ?

A friend of mine uses the VP44 with good success, but i can see why you would want to swap it out !

I suggest a M57 and using the interior loom as i did, not so much trouble and they make around 270whp and 650nm in stock configuration with only ECU reflash...

I always wanted to swap one into a E28, and maybe one day i will

Consumption is also unbeleiveable @ 60mpg in Highway use !

You wouldn't beleive it until you've tried it

I would rather smash my hand with a hammer than use a computer controlled common rail or unit injected engine. I enjoy using vegetable oil based biodiesel in my cars, and biodiesel has never really gotten along with common rail systems. Ever. The tolerances are too close, and pressures are too high. Any moisture in suspension under 10PPM can cavitate inside the high pressure pumps and destroy pumping surfaces. Not to mention the computers trying to analyze the fuel types and adjusting the injection accordingly. Only to burn holes in pistons or clog injector heads with coke. No thank you!

[DieselBoost]

second generation diesel with less head failures doesn't sound so bad.

Head failures are common... I would not say less...
and it cant take power better than m21... many has proven it.

it only looks better engine...
only good in this engine
-no rocker arms
-chain (and there is problems with m51 timing chains... major problem is stretching timing chain
-12mm head bolts

my friend who has that mb and 524td... has one e36 325tds... and there is cracked head and stretched chain...
only mods are chip tuning and straight pipe

[DieselBoost]

ok... between writing all bullshit

tomorrow i will continue some small tasks with my 524

my friend said that he has one m20b20 engine start motor, and i will test that will it fit to my 524

and second i will re adjust my engine timing which is about 2tooth wrong between cam and crank shaft

then i will erase pre filter from lift pump... it causes problems in winter...

then for a long time i will try to start my car...
if this works i will do few other jobs too...

like new springs etc...

maybe soon i will give few new photos and maybe some acceleration testing...

btw interesting... my head has loping feeling still.... caused by my friend mercedes... which i was driving today...
i can hear that engine in my head....
someway this is quite irritating feeling