RESPECT YOUR ELDERS. - The Vinyl Decal.

Mucci · Post by **Mucci** » Apr 29, 2011 11:04 AM

I'm not sure what's causing the issue. Like I said before, make sure you thoroughly clean your window with glass cleaner, and apply the decal with a bondo spreader / credit card to assure it's applied evenly.

Most aren't having problems, when you consider there are around 600 out there. But a hand full is enough reason to look into it.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM

Let me say publicly, THANKS for your stand-up response.

In my case,
I'm positive the windscreen was clean and I did apply with adequate pressure.
It appears the vinyl just deteriorated, possibly due to UV exposure, as my car sat outside uncovered all winter.
Remember I'm in the upper coastal region of south Texas, so winters here are like Daytona Beach, FL winters,

, mostly warm and sunny.

Mucci · Post by **Mucci** » May 04, 2011 10:49 AM

I'd like to keep you guys updated on this. I've been speaking with the vendor and we're attempting to work towards upping the quality of the vinyl being used.

I'm sending them over some samples of a thicker more flexible vinyl that I'd prefer and they're going to see if they can source it and if the printing oils they're currently using will take to it.

Their oils are the highest quality I've found in my search - you can see it in the BMW logo. It's actually a bit raised and has some metallic to the silver. Hopefully we can keep the quality of the printing up while increasing the quality of the vinyl.

In my search for a vendor I found that the ones who used a higher quality vinyl were not able to come close to the printing quality from the current vender. It looked like they ran it through an old desktop inkjet. I don't know much about applying the oils to certain vinyls but we're getting there.

I still have yet to figure out the problem. One thing I did notice is that the only issues are coming with the 12" decals placed on the rear windshield. Since the 1/4 glass and rear glass decals are produced exactly the same, this leads me to believe that maybe the rear defroster lines are the issue. Possibly drying them out and causing them to crack. I'll be looking into it more thoroughly.

At the LEAST I'll have another identical batch made to replace any deteriorating decals. I'm aiming for a better resolution though.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » May 04, 2011 11:15 AM

No rear defroster used here.

shagrath · Post by **shagrath** » May 04, 2011 1:13 PM

Mine are placed below the bottom defrost line. I don't see why it would be an issue. (not to mention all of my other vinlys are fine, placed over the line in places)

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » May 11, 2011 2:52 AM

Replacements arrived today.

Thanks Mucci.

These will be installed prior to The V and RTT with some sort of clear overlay to try to prevent the same result as before.

firefirefire90 · Post by **firefirefire90** » May 11, 2011 4:17 AM

sounds like a good investment! I shall place my order now

C.R. Krieger · Post by **C.R. Krieger** » May 11, 2011 11:22 AM

Gentlemen, how many of you are using (or ever have used) RainX® on your windows? It leaves a silicone coating on there to which almost nothing will stick for long - and it's damn near impossible to get off by normal human means. If you want to try, I'd hit it with literally every solvent I can find. Start with alcohols; use some acetone (VERY carefully and on the GLASS ONLY because it will strip your paint!); maybe some mineral spirits and lacquer thinner. Revisit the alcohols to get the organic solvents off, then finish with ammoniated spray window cleaner (like Windex®). After that, you might have it fairly clean.

As one of the early orderers who hasn't yet applied mine, I suppose there's no way in hell they will survive for long ...

Mucci · Post by **Mucci** » May 13, 2011 4:25 PM

C.R. Krieger wrote:Gentlemen, how many of you are using (or ever have used) RainX® on your windows? It leaves a silicone coating on there to which almost nothing will stick for long - and it's damn near impossible to get off by normal human means. If you want to try, I'd hit it with literally every solvent I can find. Start with alcohols; use some acetone (VERY carefully and on the GLASS ONLY because it will strip your paint!); maybe some mineral spirits and lacquer thinner. Revisit the alcohols to get the organic solvents off, then finish with ammoniated spray window cleaner (like Windex®). After that, you might have it fairly clean.

As one of the early orderers who hasn't yet applied mine, I suppose there's no way in hell they will survive for long ...

That's a very good observation. I wasn't aware the Rain-X stuff was so indestructible. This could very well cause an issue with the adhesive.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » May 13, 2011 4:29 PM

I've applied no Rain-X, previous owners, maybe.
But never know it by the way the water sheds.

I'll do a super duper clean though prior to re-attaching.

Thanks for the process C.R.

firefirefire90 · Post by **firefirefire90** » May 27, 2011 6:54 PM

man, I can't say I'm not as happy as I thought I would be in these. I was expecting raised lettering so you didn't have the back sticker finish, but that's okay that isn't the part that bugged me.

This is what made me unhappy. Even after cleaning, applying windex first underneath the sticker then to squeegee out per the method(same as applying tint) this is what my end result was.

Blame user error if you want, but i've had little error putting on any other sticker with a clear background. If you come out with a batch that is raised lettering let me know.

mcm97 · Post by **mcm97** » May 29, 2011 7:25 PM

I'll pile on here...I took the pic below about 30 min ago. It's a GREAT decal and at the end of the day it's for a good cause but the quality just isnt there. The "e" is flaking off and you can see where the decal is cracked. I went to a state school for college so I'm not that smart but even my state school brain can figure out how to put a sticker on. Just sucks...I LOVE the idea and message.

C.R. Krieger · Post by **C.R. Krieger** » May 29, 2011 10:18 PM

mcm97 wrote:I'll pile on here...I took the pic below about 30 min ago. It's a GREAT decal and at the end of the day it's for a good cause but the quality just isnt there. The "e" is flaking off and you can see where the decal is cracked. I went to a state school for college so I'm not that smart but even my state school brain can figure out how to put a sticker on. Just sucks...I LOVE the idea and message.

Um, guys, I'm pretty sure the top sheet is a transfer sheet, not part of the applique. It's only used to keep the letters aligned. You're supposed to peel it off, leaving the letters stuck to the surface.

mcm97 · Post by **mcm97** » May 29, 2011 10:40 PM

I wondered about that but there was no "give" when you put the sticker on

I have another I'll throw on tomorrow and give it a whirl

firefirefire90 · Post by **firefirefire90** » May 30, 2011 1:05 AM

C.R. Krieger wrote: Um, guys, I'm pretty sure the top sheet is a transfer sheet, not part of the applique. It's only used to keep the letters aligned. You're supposed to peel it off, leaving the letters stuck to the surface.

trust me, that's what I thought. There isn't a raise to the lettering and no matter how much I tried, there wasn't any way that lettering would come off. Also judging from closer looks at the sticker on the for sale page, the clear back piece is supposed to be there. Oh well

mcm97 · Post by **mcm97** » May 30, 2011 10:57 AM

ahhh gotta love a day off. I got up, detailed the car and put my spare sticker on. So far so good with the transfer sheet removed...stupid state school education.

Mucci · Post by **Mucci** » Jun 02, 2011 10:42 AM

Ok, sorry for being dormant lately.

EXTERIOR DECALS - have a clear transfer sheet to be removed.

INTERIOR DECALS - are printed on clear vinyl and are not die-cut.

...just to clarify.

UPDATE ON EXTERIOR DECAL QUALITY

I've been having a back and forth with the supplier about this flaking off issue. We're looking into a possible issue with the ink/vinyl combination as the cause of the problem.

They will be sending me some new samples to test out. I'll keep you guys updated.

AlpinaE24 · Post by **AlpinaE24** » Jun 02, 2011 1:24 PM

Just ordered some interior ones..

shagrath · Post by **shagrath** » Jun 02, 2011 1:24 PM

Mucci wrote:Ok, sorry for being dormant lately.

EXTERIOR DECALS - have a clear transfer sheet to be removed.

INTERIOR DECALS - are printed on clear vinyl and are not die-cut.

...just to clarify.

UPDATE ON EXTERIOR DECAL QUALITY

I've been having a back and forth with the supplier about this flaking off issue. We're looking into a possible issue with the ink/vinyl combination as the cause of the problem.

They will be sending me some new samples to test out. I'll keep you guys updated.

That's good. I put a new one on you sent me again and again they flake. But it is ok I do not expect a new one free- as this costs you money. I'll wait on some interior ones.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jun 03, 2011 8:27 PM

Can't use the interior ones I got as replacements, all our old rides have tinted windows.

I'll be glad to be the guinea pig for the new external ones.

BMTX · Post by **BMTX** » Jun 24, 2011 8:13 PM

I ordered these a month ago, sent two emails to the vendor, and had to escalate a dispute with PayPal cause these decals never showed up. DO NOT BUY THEM. This guy's a hack, BEWARE.

AlpinaE24 · Post by **AlpinaE24** » Jun 24, 2011 8:52 PM

For sure, I ordered mine like a month ago and have seen nothing

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jun 25, 2011 3:00 AM

Not sure what has happened.
Everyone else, AFAIK, has gotten theirs.
The beef is the quality.
Last I heard he was in the process of trying to figure out the failure.
I was hoping to see a better quality product reproduced and for sale.

We'll see.

I don't blame you for disputing the non-delivery issue.

mcm97 · Post by **mcm97** » Jun 26, 2011 5:48 PM

I'd like two more if that's feasable

AlpinaE24 · Post by **AlpinaE24** » Jun 27, 2011 11:54 AM

I guess I'll file with paypal

was looking forward to getting these

Mucci · Post by **Mucci** » Oct 06, 2011 8:46 AM

Exterior 12" Decals Now Available!

It's been a while, but I finally have another batch of exterior 12" decals available.

We had problems with some of the last run, as some of you have experienced. I've since sourced a new vendor with higher quality materials.

Cut from Oracal vinyl, these have a 3-6 year outdoor life expectancy. The vendor uses it for their personal shop signs and assures me "it lasts."

I've just found out I'm being sent over to Germany in 2 weeks, so,
SALE ENDS OCTOBER 17TH.

As always, order here:
http://www.freewebstore.org/RESPECT-YOUR-ELDERS

12" Exterior Decals only.

Shipping

ALL ORDERS WILL BE SHIPPED OCTOBER 17TH.
I will be very busy buttoning things up the next two weeks before I go away and will not have time to ship orders out daily.

Prior Customers
If your previous decals experienced chipping, please take a picture and send it to me, along with your paypal information, at DSMucci@yahoo.com and I will replace them.

Thanks everyone, and sorry for the wait.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Oct 06, 2011 9:06 AM

This is good news, about the stickers.

Mucci wrote:I've just found out I'm being sent over to Germany...

C.R. Krieger · Post by **C.R. Krieger** » Oct 06, 2011 11:25 AM

Mucci wrote:Prior Customers
If your previous decals experienced chipping, please take a picture and send it to me, along with your paypal information, at DSMucci@yahoo.com and I will replace them.

Thanks everyone, and sorry for the wait.

We're a patient bunch.

I only applied one of the four that I bought because I'd heard about the degradation issue. Sure enough, it went tango upsilon and I'll shoot a photo of it. I must assume that the other identical one will do the same. Did the 'square' ones also degrade? I have two of those unused that I hesitated to try for fear of the same failure. What I'm getting at is, are you replacing all stickers in the batch or only those we got to break down?

Mucci · Post by **Mucci** » Oct 06, 2011 11:42 AM

C.R. Krieger wrote:
Mucci wrote:Prior Customers
If your previous decals experienced chipping, please take a picture and send it to me, along with your paypal information, at DSMucci@yahoo.com and I will replace them.

Thanks everyone, and sorry for the wait.
We're a patient bunch.

I only applied one of the four that I bought because I'd heard about the degradation issue. Sure enough, it went tango upsilon and I'll shoot a photo of it. I must assume that the other identical one will do the same. Did the 'square' ones also degrade? I have two of those unused that I hesitated to try for fear of the same failure. What I'm getting at is, are you replacing all stickers in the batch or only those we got to break down?

For whatever reason, the deterioration issue was sporadic. I have a buddy here in Chicago that's been running his since before they came out, with no issues. I also have been running my 4" for just as long, and it still looks new. (Through 2 winters at that.) If you shoot me a picture and Paypal info, I'll be happy to replace them. Unfortunately I do not have any 4" available.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Oct 06, 2011 12:07 PM

Ordered two more to go with the two replacements that are on the way.

David is taking care of business the way it should be.
My hat's off to you sir.

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