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CoyoteStarfish wrote:If you want pressure...I suggest you don't use vane style fluid pumps designed for flow and volume. I would use compressed air to pressurize a sealed tank of water/methanol using a small and cheap air compressor designed for inflating tires to pressurize a tank with water/methanol inside.

One option, If you fill the tank with 75% mix and leave 25% air and pressurize it to something crazy like 9 or 10(135-140PSI) bar, it should have enough pressure to push the entire charge of mix out of the tank. You can use a fuel pressure regulator to regulate the pressure of mix leaving the tank if you need to.

Second option is more difficult and more expensive, use the same idea as above but leave the compressor attached, wire it up to a pressure shut-off switch that will limit tank pressure to your desired pressure.
only thing is that those small compressors cant take it.

and if you use those HEADLIGHT washer pumps which are larger.... they can make pressure..... one friend told that he has measured allmost 13bar pressure with those.

this system is what im going to make is used largely in here.
and it works.

and allmost all my parts are free.
i just got pressure switch for free.
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13 bar... :shock:

That is pretty impressive. I say go for it then! Let us know how it turns out.
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CoyoteStarfish wrote:13 bar... :shock:

That is pretty impressive. I say go for it then! Let us know how it turns out.
i will. ;)
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I has new parts..... just bought devils own water spray nozzle and pressure limit valve

but no water games for while..... too freezy to play with water
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Nice! I'm hoping to put a Cooling Mist kit on someday.
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Hay guys. I'm a total newb when it comes to diesels but I'm pretty comfartable boosting m20s. So just to be clear if I want a moddest increase in boost say 1.5 bar i'd just need to put a bigger turbo and a stronger internal wastegate? No bigger injectors or other mods. Sounds like the factory pump will handle the rest with no mods for my power goals.
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einstein57 wrote:Hay guys. I'm a total newb when it comes to diesels but I'm pretty comfartable boosting m20s. So just to be clear if I want a moddest increase in boost say 1.5 bar i'd just need to put a bigger turbo and a stronger internal wastegate? No bigger injectors or other mods. Sounds like the factory pump will handle the rest with no mods for my power goals.
yes.... no bigger mods..... only fine tuning with injection pump...
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Awesome. Guess we will find out how much torque an auto can take. Lol
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einstein57 wrote:Guess we will find out how much torque an auto can take
FWIW I'm planning to swap in some 4HP24 internals into my 4HP22 sometime this summer to beef it up a bit (That and my A clutch pack needs tending to).
http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk ... oductId=51
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Wow thats a lot of coin. Really its not but its more then i'm willing to spend on a 25 year old transmission. I'm going to do a 5 speed swap and install a 2.93 lsd when the auto finally gives out. Its pretty smooth and has only 150k miles so it may take a while
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I'll be working on my A/T myself. No way in hell I'm shipping it to the U.K. and spending that kind of money.
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Ok nothing new on my car.... but....

I just got back to home from dyno....

quite nice dyno run from my friends mb 190D over 380bhp and about 560nm torque
with water spray system power decreased about 5kw but this was only water.... not methanol/water mix

funny thing was when we was going to dyno, my friend tested his car and when 3rd gear was in..... suddenly BOOM!.... and there wasn't 3rd gear anymore..... :laugh:

engine is basically unopened non turbo om603 300D engine
mods are
-garrett gt40 turbo
-holysmokediesel injectionpump with 7mm plungers
-large chinacooler
-special exhaustmanifold and 3.5" exhaust system
-special plenum
-devils own water/alcohol injection system
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380 out of a 190D? :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Frybrid 524td wrote:380 out of a 190D? :shock: :shock: :shock:
wait for the videos ;)
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Ohhh. Nice. :cool:
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new st mercedes burnout video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMP6FBJF6lQ
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Oh DB, where art thou? Haven't heard from you in a while.
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CoyoteStarfish wrote:Oh DB, where art thou? Haven't heard from you in a while.
Here! :)

And unfortunately there is nothing new with my project :zzz:
but i can tell few funny things with other cars :laugh:

that 190diesel is now former one... engine exploded :laugh:
but there is now new engine OM606 24valve turbodiesel with all fun stuff from old engine...

but it seems that my project is really on ice until i get that new job...
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I love diesel... :)

I have a E36 ti (Compact) with a M57 swap (i am yet to complete)

but you can read through my thread on bimmerforums if you like..

i must get one of those 324 / 524tds engines to fiddle with..

i also have a Cummins 5.9 with a P7100 pump... makes about 350whp with the original turbo & injectors... it's unbeleiveable !

here's a link to my E36 M57 thread:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh ... ?t=1558481

and here's a picture of my Cummins truck drifting:
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Nice truck. Welcome to the forum.

The M21 diesel isn't the best BMW diesel engine to play with. They have a lot of weaknesses. Personally I'm looking to import a n M51 from Germany later this year..

As far as I know the M51 was the last BMW diesel motor to use mechanical injection (despite the VP44 electronic injection pump which I would replace immediately) P-pump it, or use a maxed out VE injection pump with Cummins internals. I just hate computers mixing with engines.
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CoyoteStarfish wrote:The M21 diesel isn't the best BMW diesel engine to play with. They have a lot of weaknesses. Personally I'm looking to import a n M51 from Germany later this year..
and you are not get anything better with that...
both engines are similar crap piles...

One guy from our holysmokediesel club has now mls gasket with stock head bolts in m21... and no problems anymore...

in both engines.. same problem... bigger radiator and better head gasket... and you can rock with these engines...

in m51 you need mls gasket too... or you get same result what you get with m21...

I have lot of new information from these engines, because we now have few other guys who like to play and test with these engines...
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But... there is no such small diesel engine like mercedes om606
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DieselBoost wrote:
CoyoteStarfish wrote:The M21 diesel isn't the best BMW diesel engine to play with. They have a lot of weaknesses. Personally I'm looking to import a n M51 from Germany later this year..
and you are not get anything better with that...
both engines are similar crap piles...

One guy from our holysmokediesel club has now mls gasket with stock head bolts in m21... and no problems anymore...

in both engines.. same problem... bigger radiator and better head gasket... and you can rock with these engines...

in m51 you need mls gasket too... or you get same result what you get with m21...

I have lot of new information from these engines, because we now have few other guys who like to play and test with these engines...
Does the M21 use the VE pump ?

A friend of mine uses the VP44 with good success, but i can see why you would want to swap it out !

I suggest a M57 :cool: and using the interior loom as i did, not so much trouble and they make around 270whp and 650nm in stock configuration with only ECU reflash...

I always wanted to swap one into a E28, and maybe one day i will :)

Consumption is also unbeleiveable @ 60mpg in Highway use !

You wouldn't beleive it until you've tried it :)
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Angelic0- wrote:
Does the M21 use the VE pump ?

A friend of mine uses the VP44 with good success, but i can see why you would want to swap it out !

I suggest a M57 :cool: and using the interior loom as i did, not so much trouble and they make around 270whp and 650nm in stock configuration with only ECU reflash...

I always wanted to swap one into a E28, and maybe one day i will :)

Consumption is also unbeleiveable @ 60mpg in Highway use !

You wouldn't beleive it until you've tried it :)
yes ve6 injection pump
m57... answer is direct injection shit... :D

and by the way... we have more than 270whp in our m21 engines...

and i can say... turbo is former turbo if you only reflashing ecu... stock turbo cant take it

second thing... m21 engine is quite badass engine from block
stock crank shaft is forged... and connecting rods are very strong make with 26mm piston pin.

and if i choose m57... there must be more than 500hp

mechanical injection pump is best for these engines.... and if i change injection pump... i will go for inline pump with 8mm plungers from mercedes made by mynädiesel

or if i change engine... i will take mercedes om606turbo engine...
it can take unopended over 500hp
and only these mods are needed.
-large intercooler
-bigger turbo
-7mm or 8mm plungers to injection pump
-exhaust manifold with 3,5" pipe

most powerfull om606 has over 700hp and over 1200nm
and it is 3.0L engine

here is one badass bmw from finland...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDK3K2TlAWs

with mercedes om606 engine and 362,2kw 760,2nm

and final thought... swapping is only swapping... and chip tuning is not real performance... (sorry if im saying too straight)
;)

m21 gives me a challenge
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and Angelic0-

at least we have something common...

i have little piece of cummins in my injection pump :D
12mm rotorhead and 3.2mm cam plate
although it is from 1stg ram
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DieselBoost wrote: and you are not get anything better with that...
both engines are similar crap piles...
Well I can't speak from experience since we don't have M51s here in the states. However, the idea of a timing chain driven second generation diesel with less head failures doesn't sound so bad.

M51 + MLS head gasket sounds like a good mix to me and if you consider:

The M21 parts are not available in the US, I already shop overseas for spares.
The M51 production numbers outweighed the M21 production numbers by a huge margin, which brings us to price.
M51 engines and parts are cheap, I just have to wait for them to make it over to the US when I want to buy them.
M51 didn't have the same cam wear issues the M21 does.


I am totally in agreement for the OM606. Bad ass engine. I would love a little 400+HP all wheel drive Mercedes W163 powered by an OM606.

You know, for the misses. :roll: :laugh:

...And when my E28 breaks down. :bawl:
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Angelic0- wrote:
Does the M21 use the VE pump ?

A friend of mine uses the VP44 with good success, but i can see why you would want to swap it out !

I suggest a M57 :cool: and using the interior loom as i did, not so much trouble and they make around 270whp and 650nm in stock configuration with only ECU reflash...

I always wanted to swap one into a E28, and maybe one day i will :)

Consumption is also unbeleiveable @ 60mpg in Highway use !

You wouldn't beleive it until you've tried it :)
I would rather smash my hand with a hammer than use a computer controlled common rail or unit injected engine. I enjoy using vegetable oil based biodiesel in my cars, and biodiesel has never really gotten along with common rail systems. Ever. The tolerances are too close, and pressures are too high. Any moisture in suspension under 10PPM can cavitate inside the high pressure pumps and destroy pumping surfaces. Not to mention the computers trying to analyze the fuel types and adjusting the injection accordingly. Only to burn holes in pistons or clog injector heads with coke. No thank you! :laugh:
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CoyoteStarfish wrote: second generation diesel with less head failures doesn't sound so bad.
Head failures are common... I would not say less...
and it cant take power better than m21... many has proven it.

it only looks better engine...
only good in this engine
-no rocker arms
-chain (and there is problems with m51 timing chains... major problem is stretching timing chain
-12mm head bolts

my friend who has that mb and 524td... has one e36 325tds... and there is cracked head and stretched chain...
only mods are chip tuning and straight pipe
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ok... between writing all bullshit :laugh:

tomorrow i will continue some small tasks with my 524

my friend said that he has one m20b20 engine start motor, and i will test that will it fit to my 524

and second i will re adjust my engine timing which is about 2tooth wrong between cam and crank shaft

then i will erase pre filter from lift pump... it causes problems in winter...

then for a long time i will try to start my car...
if this works i will do few other jobs too...

like new springs etc...

maybe soon i will give few new photos and maybe some acceleration testing... ;)

btw interesting... my head has loping feeling still.... caused by my friend mercedes... which i was driving today...
i can hear that engine in my head....
someway this is quite irritating feeling :D
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