E28 on 20's

[wkohler]

WOW! Professional sports player! They are so much better than us and have taste that far and away exceeds any thoughts we could ever entertain. My respect for you is unbounded.

[Jase]

Are you being snarky Kohler?

[mooseheadm5]

because of the fact that a portion of my customers for the custom lift kits are involved in somewhat shady ways of making money.

And that is why Ken H. made that comment. A not insignificant proportion of people that live the bling lifestyle pay for it through less than legal means.

[Das_Prachtstrasse]

Do they have donk club on ban island?

[Brian in TN]

Do they have donk club on ban island?

This would qualify as an offshore rig "vehicle". Donks are only for da hood/rig.

[Das_Prachtstrasse]

I've heard there to be quite the meet every Friday just north of timeout lagoon. May wanna be careful his pride and joy doesn't get stolen by sanitation, mind..

[Karl Grau]

This is how they roll on Ban Island (except NO CHICKS).

[Brian in TN]

This is how they roll on Ban Island (except NO CHICKS).

Werd?

[cawb352]

WOW! Professional sports player! They are so much better than us and have taste that far and away exceeds any thoughts we could ever entertain. My respect for you is unbounded.

Was used as an illustration that not all of my customers are into illegal forms of income.

[cawb352]

because of the fact that a portion of my customers for the custom lift kits are involved in somewhat shady ways of making money.

And that is why Ken H. made that comment. A not insignificant proportion of people that live the bling lifestyle pay for it through less than legal means.

And I understand this, but its one of those stereotypes that is way off kilter. People seem to believe that if your car has big wheels then you must be gangsta gangsta and dealing drug. Factually most of my customers for my custom work save for months some even for years to be able to afford the desired modifications to their car. Some of them have taken years to build their cars because they do it one piece at a time. I would estimate that 15% of my customers are involved in illegal activities. They just seem to be louder than those that aren't.

[rodpaine]

And I thought 20's looked bad on some SUVs, but on an E28?

[C.R. Krieger]

I apologize for being snappy. I realize, if only now, that most of the people on this forum are the type of people who do like minded modifications to their car. I started my E28 project with this intention but i don't feel that it is designed for what i wanted it to do. I have since decided to change my plans for it, and a place where I once thought to be welcomed in as a fellow enthusiast has looked at me and said "WTF is wrong with this guy?!?".

Well, here's where you may have tripped up. That you are using the same car as we have does not necessarily make you "a fellow enthusiast". Someone building an E28 into a dirt track Modified would probably suffer the same derision as you. BMW built these cars as 'sports sedans' (arguably defining the segment, originally) and that's what we tend to do with them. We appreciate them as fast, comfortable road cars with enough 'sport' to take them to the track. We like the way they look, usually changing only ride height and wheels to enhance the handling. From my observations over the years, I can tell you:

• Donk is not our thing.
  Stance is not our thing.
  Drifting is not our thing.
  Drag racing is not our thing.
  Customizing is not our thing.
  Road trips are our thing.
  Mechanical performance modifications are our thing.
  Modest cosmetic modifications are our thing.
  Autocross and track days are our thing.
  BMWs in general are our thing.

The difference between me and you is that you can go from a lifted Lexus to a lifted old BMW to a lifted Impala and think nothing of it. I go from an old slow E28 in a color I didn't much care for to a newer faster E28 in a color I like to another of the same (I've had five of 'em). I'm primarily an old BMW enthusiast who happens to prefer E28s. You're primarily a donk enthusiast who happens to have an E28. It's not the same.

Now as for the people making the smart ass remarks about what I do for a living, they caused me to be a little snappy. Its my business and my livelihood. It is how I support three children and a wife with cancer, I forget some times though that others don't always find what I do appealing.

Hey, I'm a bankruptcy lawyer. Imagine the shit I occasionally get. We are not unsympathetic to your family situation. We have been known to pull together as a group to financially help our members here. I hope you don't need it, but if you do, simply recognizing that your enthusiasm is very different from ours will help a lot.

I do apologize for being an ass.

Accepted and reciprocated. I've BT, DT. It helps.

And for the record, the customer I picked up at the airport, is a professional sports player.

And, as has been pointed out, ................. that doesn't.

[mooseheadm5]

WOW! Professional sports player! They are so much better than us and have taste that far and away exceeds any thoughts we could ever entertain. My respect for you is unbounded.

Was used as an illustration that not all of my customers are into illegal forms of income.

As you may well know, professional sports players are not necessarily models of taste, sophistication, or even lawfulness.

Now, an honest ethical question. Does it ever bother you to know that 15% of your clientele are making their money through unlawful practices? Even if the majority of that 15% are committing what many consider victimless crimes (say, selling dime bags to consenting adults) what about the maybe half of a half of a percent that have made their money actively harming, or even killing people?

[skip535i]

WOW! Professional sports player! They are so much better than us and have taste that far and away exceeds any thoughts we could ever entertain. My respect for you is unbounded.

Was used as an illustration that not all of my customers are into illegal forms of income.

As you may well know, professional sports players are not necessarily models of taste, sophistication, or even lawfulness.

Now, an honest ethical question. Does it ever bother you to know that 15% of your clientele are making their money through unlawful practices? Even if the majority of that 15% are committing what many consider victimless crimes (say, selling dime bags to consenting adults) what about the maybe half of a half of a percent that have made their money actively harming, or even killing people?

This would apply to everybody in the service industry, Paul. I have no idea how people make the money that they spend in my restaurant, but frankly, I don't give a shit. I have to eat.

[mooseheadm5]

This would apply to everybody in the service industry, Paul. I have no idea how people make the money that they spend in my restaurant, but frankly, I don't give a shit. I have to eat.

Not necessarily. It is a niche market. He probably even knows which customers are merely shady and which are downright dangerous people. Hell, we do research for defense here. It would bother me more if we actually produced any successful products, but since it is almost all research going nowhere it doesn't keep me up at night.

[slammin_e28]

but since it is almost all research going nowhere it doesn't keep me up at night.

I have nightmares about 914s and 66 Beetles and 1960's Lincoln Contis.

Think of how many people these have killed....I blame my alcoholism on these cars and demand reparations from the companies who produced them.

[Ken H.]

but since it is almost all research going nowhere it doesn't keep me up at night.

I have nightmares about 914s and 66 Beetles and 1960's Lincoln Contis.

Think of how many people these have killed....I blame my alcoholism on these cars and demand reparations from the companies who produced them.

While you're at it, why not go after BMW AG? After all, they produced engines which powered the FW-190 fighter aircraft during WW2.
Let's go a step further. By owning a BMW, you directly support this company via using its spare parts. Therefore you are guilty by association and should have all of your assets confiscated and made to serve the rest of your life at hard labor for no pay.

Nice bit of satire BTW, slammin.

[cawb352]

As for the term enthusiast, I was referring to automotive enthusiasts. I believe we do all fit into this category. As far as my enthusiasm for automobiles is concerned, it is not make or model specific. I am involved in anything that peaks my curiosity. If it has potential, and I enjoy the aesthetics of it, then I wouldn't mind having one. Most of the vehicles I have owned have been for short periods of time. Mostly due to the fact that it was bought to see whether or not I could bond with the vehicle. I am a performance enthusiast. Currently I own a 1992 Talon TSI, a 1993 Mustang, a 1990 S10 Blazer. Each has its own list of modifications and personalized aspects. None of which are lifted or on big wheels. I personally enjoy the performance of each vehicle, with the exception of the blazer which has a specific purpose. I enjoy my previous BMWs. I received a deal on this one that I could not pass up. I love the way it looks. I have a few MINOR modifications to do to the exterior. Most of the modifications I am going to be doing involve the drivetrain and suspension. Its not that I don't like the way it performs, its that its level of peak performance doesn't reach where i want to see it perform.


As far as my customers, I stopped doing this kind of work a few years ago because it seemed that a majority of my customers were involved in illegal activity and I was beginning to see that it was affecting my own life. I was starting to worry about who was around me and worry about police. I have since restarted my business and been much more strict as to who I deal with. Yes a percentage of them are involved in certain illegal activities, but they are people who I know and although I don't personally know the particulars of their business, I feel safe conducting business with them. And it is only for the fact that I have a family to support and I don't wanna be leaning on a governmental crutch like welfare. I understand some people need it. I do not and so long as I can do something to provide for my family by myself, I will.

[mooseheadm5]

As far as my customers, I stopped doing this kind of work a few years ago because it seemed that a majority of my customers were involved in illegal activity and I was beginning to see that it was affecting my own life. I was starting to worry about who was around me and worry about police. I have since restarted my business and been much more strict as to who I deal with. Yes a percentage of them are involved in certain illegal activities, but they are people who I know and although I don't personally know the particulars of their business, I feel safe conducting business with them. And it is only for the fact that I have a family to support and I don't wanna be leaning on a governmental crutch like welfare. I understand some people need it. I do not and so long as I can do something to provide for my family by myself, I will.

Thank you for the honest answer.

[Jake D]

I like the turn that this thread has taken. Much respect to the OP for taking on the chin and being adult enough to consider that an opposing opinion isn't the end of the relationship.

[skip535i]

Well done, cawb352! Took the oposing opinions in stride! You sound like you'll fit in just fine here.

I for one, look forward to seeing what's in store for your E28

[davintosh]

Wow! Interesting thread... I really MUST visit Eye Candy more often. And good on you cawb352 for coming around a bit. Understand that the e28 is a desirable car not only for its looks but also for the way it's put together and the way it handles. Throw it on top of a frame with a live axle and a V8 and it's no longer an e28.

If what you say about your clientele is accurate, you undoubtably have some skill in what you do with cars, so it'll be interesting to see what you do with your car. Stick around; we're a likable bunch, if a bit opinionated.

[cawb352]

I don't mind opinionated. Believe me that when its all said and done, my car will be excellent. It will fit me, If there was a larger, more affordable aftermarket i would love to keep it all BMW but its not there, so I must resort to a second choice.

I will keep you guys in the loop and keep the build pictures coming as it progresses.

[shagrath]

This thread blows.

[C.R. Krieger]

This thread blows.

Only because you suck.