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Nicke28 · Post by **Nicke28** » Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM

How would a S38 powered e12 not be "unique"? BMW produced a e34 M5 touring, so its not like your breaking new ground there. The M7 idea isn't unique either as BMW SA produced a S38 powered 7, only in a E23.

Now if you want to talk about "Modifications in conflict with original BMW styling" lets look at your E32 idea. The E32 was designed to be a slow moving, quiet, uninspiring large luxury pig. Get the idea that a loud and fast Motorsports engine doesn't quite fit this description? An e12 is ten thousand times the drivers car that a e32 is and even had a Motorsports version avaliable at one time. I think a S38 and e12 can gel together quite nicely.

When I get your notice in the mail I'm going hand it right back to the postmaster and tell him to return to sender.

davintosh · Post by **davintosh** » Jan 24, 2012 5:58 PM

Ok, Jay & Nick; 3 points...

1. Yes, the M7 has been done but not in e32 form (that I'm aware of.) And "uninspiring large luxury pig"? Please. Isn't the e32 just the big brother to the e34? Who says they're designed to be "slow moving"? And didn't the Alpina folks think the platform was worthy of some tweaking?

2. While the S38-equipped e12 would be somewhat unique, as has been pointed out in this thread, it has been done before.

3. The SPHOBA citation is a joke. Its injection into this thread was intended as nothing more.

And finally...

4. Sherman is going to do with his cars what Sherman wants to do with his cars, regardless of what we suggest here. Because my suggestion involved purchasing yet another car, I knew it had a snowball's chance in Houston that it would even be acknowledged, much less acted on; it was offered more as a joke than anything else (but I still think it's a cool idea!)

sheesh.

(Ok, that was four points; I lied. Sue me. )

Time for me to stop this nonsense & go enjoy driving my e32. Bye.

wkohler · Post by **wkohler** » Jan 24, 2012 6:05 PM

I don't understand what's so hard about fixing a couple of issues. I dont get why everyone wants to kill the E34 M5. Drive the 535 everyday and fix the M5 when you get around to it. Or, better yet, sell it to someone who will. The car is obviously not a good fit for you, so move on. Don't kill it for no reason.

They made 24 billion black E34s.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 24, 2012 8:19 PM

mooseheadm5 wrote:I don't think your weights are accurate.

What do you think accurate weights would be?
I took the curb (kerb) weights from the links referenced.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 24, 2012 8:26 PM

davintosh wrote:Ok, Jay & Nick; 3 points...

1. Yes, the M7 has been done but not in e32 form (that I'm aware of.) And "uninspiring large luxury pig"? Please. Isn't the e32 just the big brother to the e34? Who says they're designed to be "slow moving"? And didn't the Alpina folks think the platform was worthy of some tweaking?

2. While the S38-equipped e12 would be somewhat unique, as has been pointed out in this thread, it has been done before.

3. The SPHOBA citation is a joke. Its injection into this thread was intended as nothing more.

And finally...

4. Sherman is going to do with his cars what Sherman wants to do with his cars, regardless of what we suggest here. Because my suggestion involved purchasing yet another car, I knew it had a snowball's chance in Houston that it would even be acknowledged, much less acted on; it was offered more as a joke than anything else (but I still think it's a cool idea!)

sheesh.

(Ok, that was four points; I lied. Sue me. )

Time for me to stop this nonsense & go enjoy driving my e32. Bye.

I got it, rib taken and returned.

Aaaaand, believe it or not, appreciated.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM

wkohler wrote:I don't understand what's so hard about fixing a couple of issues. I dont get why everyone wants to kill the E34 M5. Drive the 535 everyday and fix the M5 when you get around to it. Or, better yet, sell it to someone who will. The car is obviously not a good fit for you, so move on. Don't kill it for no reason.

They made 24 billion black E34s.

There's nothing "so hard" about fixing a couple of issues.
I am DDing the 535 and loving it, until tomorrow.
My son-n-law called telling me his Tahoe crapped its rearend and they need a loaner,
so Snob will get to their house after this post, and tomorrow I'll be back in the E34 ///M for a few more days.

The car is actually a good fit, I like it a lot, but the swap kinda/sorta fits into some longer range goals related to stable occupants.
And, I'm not certain this opportunity will present itself again. That said, it's death, if it comes to that, will not be for "no reason".

I'll stay subscribed...

Eddie in TO · Post by **Eddie in TO** » Jan 24, 2012 10:51 PM

IMO, it doesn't matter what's 'been done'. Everyone would be surprised what's been done to all of these older BMW models the past 30+ years. Keep in mind that not every BMW enthusiast who has a 'unique' BMW is on the internet/forums.

What matters the most is what you would enjoy driving and appreciate the most. It appears your love for the E12 is inseparable so my vote is to go for it and give that 'ol E12 a Motorsport heart. I can assure you that you will fall in love all over again.

On a side note, keep the 528i badge. No ///M badges or Motorsport colors anywhere. It seems to add some form of mystery in certain occasions.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 24, 2012 11:07 PM

Eddie in TO wrote:IMO, it doesn't matter what's 'been done'. Everyone would be surprised what's been done to all of these older BMW models the past 30+ years. Keep in mind that not every BMW enthusiast who has a 'unique' BMW is on the internet/forums.

What matters the most is what you would enjoy driving and appreciate the most. It appears your love for the E12 is inseparable so my vote is to go for it and give that 'ol E12 a Motorsport heart. I can assure you that you will fall in love all over again.

On a side note, keep the 528i badge. No ///M badges or Motorsport colors anywhere. It seems to add some form of mystery in certain occasions.

Thanks Eddie for the private info you've supplied.
You're build is to die for, IMO.

on the non-///M badging. The other member that offered the same advice also has my utmost respect.

I know of another build that is going to be misrepresented from behind

(pun intended).

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Jan 25, 2012 12:08 AM

1st 5er wrote:
mooseheadm5 wrote:I don't think your weights are accurate.
What do you think accurate weights would be?
I took the curd (kerb) weights from the links referenced.

3161 pounds according to an '80 owners manual. 79 used a different standard and was listed as heavier. It's probably slightly heavier than a 533, no power seats, no ABS, drivetrain was nearly identical, at least for weight purposes. Glass the same, doors interchangeable, etc. Metal was slightly thicker in some places such as seats, but that doesn't add much.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 25, 2012 1:07 AM

Mike W. wrote:
1st 5er wrote:
mooseheadm5 wrote:I don't think your weights are accurate.
What do you think accurate weights would be?
I took the curd (kerb) weights from the links referenced.
3161 pounds according to an '80 owners manual. 79 used a different standard and was listed as heavier. It's probably slightly heavier than a 533, no power seats, no ABS, drivetrain was nearly identical, at least for weight purposes. Glass the same, doors interchangeable, etc. Metal was slightly thicker in some places such as seats, but that doesn't add much.

1st - Dang it! I hate it when I misspell, and Firefox doesn't pick it up, because it's actually a correct spelling.

2nd - Thanks Mike. I was looking at and linked to the '80 models built for Europe and picked up the curb weight for the 518 5 speed.
My bad...

Here's the correct link http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ ... /1979.html
and the correct curb weight, at least according to that source is 3,371 lbs.
I'll go back up and edit my numbers and links.

Finally - The E12 is

, no matter the weight.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 25, 2012 1:50 AM

mooseheadm5 wrote:I don't think your weights are accurate.

Thanks for the heads up. Does that look right now?

bkbimmer · Post by **bkbimmer** » Jan 25, 2012 2:49 AM

part it!

nik77356 · Post by **nik77356** » Jan 25, 2012 12:23 PM

I think my vote goes to selling me the car for the price you bought it for, since you know I need a car and all

Seriously though, you know you need to pull the tranny anyway, why not pull the motor too and swap it into the E12. Would make one awesome car.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM

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Thanks for the lead, I'm getting the brake booster from VeeDub.

Nicke28 · Post by **Nicke28** » Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM

nik77356 wrote:I think my vote goes to selling me the car for the price you bought it for, since you know I need a car and all

Seriously though, you know you need to pull the tranny anyway, why not pull the motor too and swap it into the E12. Would make one awesome car.

Need a car? I got a pair of turbobrick Volvo's I can sell you.

Nicke28 · Post by **Nicke28** » Jan 25, 2012 12:44 PM

For the best of both worlds keep the e34 as is and buy this to stick in the e12.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E34-S38-M5- ... 3370b7c4c7

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM

Nicke28 wrote:For the best of both worlds keep the e34 as is and buy this to stick in the e12.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E34-S38-M5- ... 3370b7c4c7

If that alone would do it, then yes.

Nicke28 · Post by **Nicke28** » Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM

I already got the engine build mapped out for ya', you just need to wright the checks.

Positive side to this is you'll have 5.7L V10 M5 guys eating your dust.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 25, 2012 6:42 PM

Nicke28 wrote:I already got the engine build mapped out for ya', you just need to wright the checks.

Positive side to this is you'll have 5.7L V10 M5 guys eating your dust.

I don't know any of those guys, only E28 and E34 guys.

Nicke28 · Post by **Nicke28** » Jan 26, 2012 2:17 AM

Age discrimination!

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Jan 26, 2012 9:47 PM

This was Tuesday evening;

1st 5er wrote: My son-n-law called telling me his Tahoe crapped its rearend and they need a loaner,
so Snob will get to their house after this post, and tomorrow I'll be back in the E34 ///M for a few more days.

Then, there was this, Wednesday, late morning.

dave533i · Post by **dave533i** » Feb 21, 2013 2:23 PM

Any progress on this project? Interested in comparing notes as I install a new drive train into my 528e.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Feb 22, 2013 8:38 AM

Here's the beginning of the end.
But as you'll see, it's stalled out pending some major honey-do's.

shagrath · Post by **shagrath** » Feb 22, 2013 8:45 AM

I vote swap. So freakin cool. If not, sell it to me.

1st 5er · Post by **1st 5er** » Feb 22, 2013 11:58 AM

shagrath wrote:I vote swap. So freakin cool. If not, sell it to me.

You're a bit late. The polls closed several months ago.

shagrath · Post by **shagrath** » Feb 22, 2013 12:02 PM

1st 5er wrote:
shagrath wrote:I vote swap. So freakin cool. If not, sell it to me.
You're a bit late. The polls closed several months ago.

Oh shit didn't even look at the dates. Damn. Whoa I am way late on that. LOL

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