Dieselboost's 524compoundTD

Angelic0- · Post by **Angelic0-** » Aug 14, 2011 7:56 PM

ok, maybe...

i am a big fan of IDI diesel... BUT... i am also a very big fan of CR..

I drove my E60 530d 2005yr for 90.000km with only biodiesel in it without any problems... very few occasions i put diesel or kerosene in it !!!

BUT... i like the VE idea with the plungers from Cummins..

How would you fit a P7100 ?? it is a VERY big pump !

M51 only has head flow advantages... makes more power with less boost !!!

I think M57 can make 500hp EASY if it gets bigger injectors, fuel pump and map to cope with it.... maybe bigger turbo..

My E60 had a 320hp reflash in it with the stock turbo... nothing has blown yet... after 50.000km on the reflash !!!

Post some pictures and acceleration videos PLEASE !!!

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 14, 2011 10:44 PM

Ok! I give up on the M51. I thought it was much better but I guess I was wrong. lol

I will save my money for a spare head in case something goes wrong.

I think a P7100 pump might fit with a modified intake manifold. If not, I could always use some other kind of inline pump. Maybe a MW pump if I want to send it to Myna..

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 15, 2011 8:48 AM

CoyoteStarfish wrote:Ok! I give up on the M51. I thought it was much better but I guess I was wrong. lol

I will save my money for a spare head in case something goes wrong.

I think a P7100 pump might fit with a modified intake manifold. If not, I could always use some other kind of inline pump. Maybe a MW pump if I want to send it to Myna..

btw they said m pump is better.... i dont remember why...

hmm p7100 pump... it sounds interesting... how much it can take rpm?

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 15, 2011 6:08 PM

Good news everyone!... and bad news too

well i got my engine running etc...

next thing is best...
we went to little test drive... with 2.1bar boost...
i dont understand what is wrong with us... we know very well that m21 stock head gasket cant take super turbo settings from turbo and injection pump...

Power and acceleration was unbelievable... my friend was co-driver... and difference with my 524td and hes 300st mercedes with 400hp is quite minor...
he estimated that in my 524td must be over 300hp...

but head gasket is former... again...

when it popped out... first reaction was....

so im going to stop bother my head with those stock head gaskets...

Angelic0- · Post by **Angelic0-** » Aug 16, 2011 8:38 AM

DieselBoost wrote:
CoyoteStarfish wrote:Ok! I give up on the M51. I thought it was much better but I guess I was wrong. lol

I will save my money for a spare head in case something goes wrong.

I think a P7100 pump might fit with a modified intake manifold. If not, I could always use some other kind of inline pump. Maybe a MW pump if I want to send it to Myna..
btw they said m pump is better.... i dont remember why...

hmm p7100 pump... it sounds interesting... how much it can take rpm?

Full build pull trucks in USA have been seeing 7200rpm...

you can see rpm gauge in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgOxZpQKi94

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 16, 2011 4:16 PM

I think there is a P-pumped 524td in my future.

Angelic0- · Post by **Angelic0-** » Aug 16, 2011 4:53 PM

P pumps are fu*king ridiculous...

the amount of power they make... is... WOW !

and runaway... is near impossible, not like the fu*king VE !

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 16, 2011 5:07 PM

and p-pump price... lol like sigma 15.000e?

i say it is better to do it from mercedes ip
we dont need injection pump which produce 2000hp cause maximum power what we can take is 400hp this is tested... our idi cambers cant burn more...

mercedes injection pump is similar... and i think it is cheaper
in stock condition 150-200e and you can buy built one about 600-800e with 7mm plungers and it can produce 600hp and mynä version maybe more...

but there may be chance with cummins one...
how big are stock plungers?
second thing... cummins ip is for direct injection engine... and it may have cam which is unsuitable for idi and injection pressure may be too high.

mercedes ip is similar than cummins one but with smaller parts and designated for idi

and italian plungers are cheap... + your local dieselperformance shop can make your pump

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 16, 2011 5:14 PM

Angelic0- wrote:and runaway... is near impossible, not like the fucking VE !

Runaway?

Angelic0- · Post by **Angelic0-** » Aug 16, 2011 5:14 PM

i think the stock plungers are somewhere in the region of 12-14mm :')

but i don't want to promise...

i think a P-3000 is maybe suitable for M21, it is a lot smaller...

maybe it is similar like the one in MB ?

Angelic0- · Post by **Angelic0-** » Aug 16, 2011 5:18 PM

DieselBoost wrote:
Angelic0- wrote:and runaway... is near impossible, not like the fucking VE !
Runaway?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway

here is an example of VE pump runaway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dj6Q7S9V58

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 16, 2011 6:23 PM

Angelic0- wrote:
DieselBoost wrote:
Angelic0- wrote:and runaway... is near impossible, not like the fucking VE !
Runaway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway

here is an example of VE pump runaway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dj6Q7S9V58

what causes this in ve pump...

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 16, 2011 7:08 PM

if "over srewing" in my car this is not possible... my ip is made my professional and ip is adjusted in pump bench to maximum... so i know where is max line

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 16, 2011 7:59 PM

I believe the Mercedes pump is a MW pump..

I only consider a P pump because they are very common here in America, and everyone wants to "P-pump" their cummins.. larger elements and delivery valves are abundant.

The only way that I know of to improve the performance of a MW pump is to send it to Myna diesel...which is big $$$!

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 16, 2011 8:41 PM

CoyoteStarfish wrote:I believe the Mercedes pump is a MW pump..

I only consider a P pump because they are very common here in America, and everyone wants to "P-pump" their cummins.. larger elements and delivery valves are abundant.

The only way that I know of to improve the performance of a MW pump is to send it to Myna diesel...which is big $$$!

pp-diesel is another shop in here... my ve6 is made by this shop, they make mb pumps too...

http://www.ppdiesel.com/
pasi.lamsijarvi(at)ppdiesel.com

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 16, 2011 9:29 PM

That STILL means sending a pump to Finland!

I guess all the best diesel stuff comes from Finland.

Zubcho · Post by **Zubcho** » Aug 17, 2011 4:04 PM

Finland is the diesel "Meka"

I wish i was born there and mr. DieselBoost is my neighbor. All day long diesel talk, repair and upgrade.

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 17, 2011 6:20 PM

Zubcho wrote:Finland is the diesel "Meka" I wish i was born there and mr. DieselBoost is my neighbor. All day long diesel talk, repair and upgrade.

i think our neighbors are loading their shotguns caused by slight noise disturbance at night when we get our engines ready for test start...

diesel talking all day long... hmm that is quite true... and many people run away scared because there isnt any other discussion than diesels...

there is now few pics about my engine failure...
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=903913#903913

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 17, 2011 9:13 PM

What I would give to be woken up by a diesel motor and not some crappy Honda with a "fart-can" exhaust or some big SUV with huge subwoofers in it.

Two best things to come out of Finland, Myna Diesel and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgrGRcjyzVw

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 18, 2011 11:07 PM

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 18, 2011 11:20 PM

This band is the real piece of finland... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQi3StUePIg

actually im on harder electronic music
and producer since 98

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 19, 2011 12:54 AM

It was a joke.

I produce music, too. It goes "TACTACTACTACTACTACTAC TACTACTACTACTAC" etc. I think you've heard it before?

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 19, 2011 1:09 AM

CoyoteStarfish wrote:It was a joke.

I produce music, too. It goes "TACTACTACTACTACTACTAC TACTACTACTACTAC" etc. I think you've heard it before?

yes... knew it... but i hate that song so much....

ok... now im going to sleep... clock is here about 8:15 in morning

Alleslowbuged · Post by **Alleslowbuged** » Aug 19, 2011 5:47 PM

Hi,

sorry for headgasket, as i write before you can get mls headgasket in every thickness you wand from gastet-to-go, as i have send them my old gasket as master.

My gasket-to-go headgasket is know installed since 2 years and still works fine. As promised earlier i have now installed my 12mm pump (with all mods) and it feels like 50 hp more than before, but in fact i have nearly the same peakpower, just 1200 rpm earlier. For my car i am sure, that limit is through stock camshaft, but will see in winter (likely).

Actual i have peak power of 208 hp @ 3200 rpm and peak torque of 480 NM @ 2950 rpm. Before (stock 10mm plunger) i have had 200 hp @ 4400 rpm and 360 Nm @ 3000 rpm. Here can you see both curves, red is actual one and green ist the previous, both has same turbo (stock).

A few post earlier you write, "we have more than 270 hp with m21 engine", i would realy love to see dyno results and hear abbout setup.

Best Regards
Alleslowbuged

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 19, 2011 9:49 PM

Soon...

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 19, 2011 9:50 PM

Soon...

i has 191hp with stock injection pump...

CoyoteStarfish · Post by **CoyoteStarfish** » Aug 20, 2011 5:11 PM

Alleslowbuged wrote:Hi,
both has same turbo (stock).

That turbocharger isn't good for much more than 150HP without it becoming a very efficient heat pump...the mercedes guys with OM617s who run the same turbocharger as us from the factory have proved this. Also you don't mention what kind of intercooler you have?

Boost has both a larger turbocharger and an intercooler. So things are not exactly even.

Myself, I won't touch my turbocharger until I find a variable vane turbo that fits my specification. I think I might end up with one off of a sprinter van or a Cummins.

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 20, 2011 5:34 PM

and now i have mls gasket

no diesel video fun now... because on our track days transmission problems emerged...

Alleslowbuged · Post by **Alleslowbuged** » Aug 20, 2011 6:08 PM

Hi,

@DieselBoost
sorry for spam in your build up thread, if you don't like please give short comment (here or pn, than i will stop to spam with infos to my car.

Do you know, if your pump use the stock camplate, only modified to fit 12mm plunger (my setup), or also a high lift, high angle camplate?

@CoyoteStarfish
I have a Merc Sprinter LLK with welded aluminium side boxes, and a small bush in the driver side sidebox, for enable the use of stock support screw of the watercoler:

Best Regards
Alleslowbuged

DieselBoost · Post by **DieselBoost** » Aug 21, 2011 9:08 AM

Alleslowbuged... no worries.... you're welcome

actually funny timing... just yesterday i got my mls gasket from gasket to go...

my ip is quite aggressive built... from pp-diesel
i said him to make my ip with 12mm rotorhead and get all out what he can get from it...

and it is now something like that... i know i have some special cam plate...

i say... try bigger turbo with 2bar and if you like low rpm power then try some vgt/vnt but big one

do you have exhaust temperature gauge or exhaust pressure gauge?

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