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Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:18 PM
by WH
I find it interesting if you go to Wikipedia today... the UCI officially has no Tour de France winner recognized from 1999-2005 after they stripped Lance's titles. You'd think they just bump up the riders behind to raise their official spots.........but maybe many of those riders might fail scrutinizing their drug use as well..... so no winner is better than Lance?
Sad to see all this, as I was a USCF racer in the 1970's through mid 1980's (cat 3) but now am now just an avid cyclist in my spare time. I've followed the Tour de France for over 40 years and for this to happen is totally insane. Drug use has been going on in cycling for over half a century. Five time winner Jacques Anquetil was famous for using drugs during his tours and even bragged about it off the bike! He's been quoted as saying ""Leave me in peace; everybody takes dope". Of course this was before the modern era of wide spread steroid use and mandatory drug testing in many sports.
Stripping Lance of his titles sends a message to the competitors involved in the sport but unless the organizers are willing to scrutinize EVERY cyclist in the same manner since drug testing was first invoked, it means nothing more than being a witch hunt to crucify one man. This won't stop the on going issues of drugs in sports as participants are always trying to get that extra edge against their competition.
What a waste of money, energy and time for everyone involved. No, I'm not a Lance fan and I always thought the hype around him was overrated. He is no doubt a great athlete but to me Merckx has and always will be the greatest cyclist of our era. He was the most accomplished cyclist ever. I've met Merckx, LeMond and Lance in person several times over the past 30 years. Merckx always seemed the most humble of his accomplishments in his life of the three and I have deep respect for him. He has admitted to using drugs in his career like most other cyclist's since his retirement.
At one point in his career Merckx won almost every other race he rode. Merckx won the equivalent of a race a week for six years. He won 525 races in his career!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Merck ... _victories
I don't see them stripping Merckx of his victories anytime soon...... admitted drug use or not.
WH
Posted: Jan 16, 2013 9:01 PM
by briansmith
WH wrote:
Stripping Lance of his titles sends a message to the competitors involved in the sport but unless the organizers are willing to scrutinize EVERY cyclist in the same manner since drug testing was first invoked, it means nothing more than being a witch hunt to crucify one man. This won't stop the on going issues of drugs in sports as participants are always trying to get that extra edge against their competition.
WH
That last part is no different from the other prosecuted racers.
What's somewhat different is that Lance is being brokered in attempt to hit the UCI, where some stuff might really have a chance to cause change if it brings a victory.
WH wrote:
What a waste of money, energy and time for everyone involved. No, I'm not a Lance fan and I always thought the hype around him was overrated. He is no doubt a great athlete but to me Merckx has and always will be the greatest cyclist of our era. He was the most accomplished cyclist ever. I've met Merckx, LeMond and Lance in person several times over the past 30 years. Merckx always seemed the most humble of his accomplishments in his life of the three and I have deep respect for him. He has admitted to using drugs in his career like most other cyclist's since his retirement.
WH
I might agree with you about the money, energy and time being wasteful, but I'll wait until the results of said expenditures are evident. I do agree with you about Merckx. I don't know of any instance of him admitting to drug use, I don't believe that drug use throughout the sport was uncommon in Merckx's time, but it's a question that is of little value to be asked. The reality is that you don't perform these grand tour feats on pasta, bread and water.
It's easy to vilify the athlete, keep the same "programs" intact, then wait for the next athlete to vilify, when the problem is not generated at the athlete level. Many cyclists leave the sport professionally when they realize their options in a sport run under corrupted governance. The ones that stay make their choice and we (the big we) celebrate their performances. It has been this way for a long time.
Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:08 PM
by Duke
The IOC just stripped him of the 2000 bronze metal he "won".
Shit's getting serious now.
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:41 AM
by Duke
My next prediction.............ready for this???
LANCE NEVER HAD CANCER!
Who wants to place some bets on this?
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:49 AM
by Mike W.
So why are you taking so much pleasure in Lance's comedown? What did he do to you?
Re: Armstrong goes down...and down......and down....and.....
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:50 AM
by shagrath
Duke wrote:Armstrong goes down...and down......and down....and.........
I didn't know we could make the thread title that long...
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:52 AM
by 1st 5er
Mike W. wrote:So why are you taking so much pleasure in Lance's comedown? What did he do to you?
This thought has crossed my mind, and not just once.
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:53 AM
by alijonny
Duke wrote:My next prediction.............ready for this???
LANCE NEVER HAD CANCER!
Who wants to place some bets on this?
I think Duke just wants to see some Testicles. LOL.
I love you Duke.
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:17 AM
by Duke
If he DID(???) have cancer.......doping is what caused it.
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:34 PM
by waynet1
Saw this and had too put it here for you Duke.
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:48 PM
by Cactus
WH wrote:He is no doubt a great athlete but to me Merckx has and always will be the greatest cyclist of our era. He was the most accomplished cyclist ever.
Gotta love the Cannibal.
Hey Duke, why do you hate Lance so much? Did he screw your wife or something? Does he associate with Matt Hernandez without any of the rest of us knowing about it?
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:12 PM
by Duke
Cactus wrote:Hey Duke, why do you hate Lance so much? Did he screw your wife or something? Does he associate with Matt Hernandez without any of the rest of us knowing about it?
Hey prickly plant. why do you love Lance so much? Did he give you a really good blow job or something? Does he associate with the village people without any of the rest of us knowing about it?
Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:07 AM
by Cactus
Way to dodge the question, bro. At least I'll have the ball to answer yours:
Considering I used to be an avid cyclist, he brought TV coverage of a sport I appreciate to my house. He's got a pretty awesome cancer foundation. He's far from the most accomplished cyclist ever to have lived, but he's not exactly an also-ran. Sure he's not the best role model in sports, but at least he hasn't run out of money shortly after retirement like many pro sports stars. So far as I know, he doesn't run a dogfighting ring.
Posted: Jan 30, 2013 4:24 PM
by Duke
Posted: May 29, 2013 8:35 AM
by shagrath
Posted: May 29, 2013 9:55 AM
by unt0uchable
Posted: May 29, 2013 11:23 AM
by davintosh
unt0uchable wrote:
Egggzacktelactely.
Was it really necessary to dredge this old horse from the depths to beat it some more?
Posted: May 29, 2013 11:25 AM
by shagrath
Sorry I figure it was relevant. Kinda big news in this topic.
Posted: May 29, 2013 11:36 AM
by Cactus
I finally figured out why Duke hates him so much. He's got a serious crush on Cheryl Crow. You know she's been available for a while, right?
Posted: May 29, 2013 11:48 AM
by Mike W.
Anyone who buys products because a star who is paid promotes them deserves whatever they end up with.
Posted: May 29, 2013 12:50 PM
by Duke
Cactus wrote:I finally figured out why Duke hates him so much.
I don't hate the guy....never said I did. He is just a POS that is a bad person to the core.
Posted: May 29, 2013 2:49 PM
by Mark 88/M5 Houston
Posted: May 29, 2013 2:55 PM
by Mike W.
Posted: May 29, 2013 6:52 PM
by Mark 88/M5 Houston
No but I can hope, can't I.
Posted: May 29, 2013 8:05 PM
by oldskool
I still admire his dedication, persistence and talent.
Page 8, . . . is that you? It's ME, Margaret
Posted: May 29, 2013 8:52 PM
by w0014170
Cactus wrote:I finally figured out why Duke hates him so much. He's got a serious crush on Cheryl Crow. You know she's been available for a while, right?
One left nut is enough huh?