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Re: GROUP BUY - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 11:37 AM
by Lee
Hi everyone

It's been a very long time since I came here. First, thanks for participating to this GB. I am surprised we reached (almost) 20 interested parties, and am glad we did. Production shall start in the coming days after I have established the GB price. The five years old price was $110.00usd for a complete set which is $145.00cad at current exchange rate. I am aiming (I will confirm by the end of the day) at a price of $120.00cad which is roughly $90.00usd for two seats.

I have redrafted the e28 adapters to have the exact same seat mounting pattern as the e30 Recaro adapters which I have sold over 400 sets and has become a standard when fitting a Recaro seat on OEM e30 sliders.

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The e28 aluminum adapters will fit all factory Recaro seats on e28 bases. L series Recaros, Speed, SRD, and newer ones too. But please take note that some Recaro seats made specifically for a car manufacturer's base system might not work as it may have a different bolt pattern. Sometimes they may even have welded brackets on them.

Exemple of Recaro bolt patterns. Please check with your own seats.

Six 6mm bolts

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Four 8mm bolts (VW Trophy seats also are four bolts)

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Re: GROUP BUY - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 12:32 PM
by JEDCO
I'm in for 3 seats. 1.5 sets please

Re: GROUP BUY - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 12:55 PM
by SlickDizzy
JEDCO wrote:I'm in for 3 seats. 1.5 sets please
There is only one set left available unfortunately. Is that adequate?

Re: GROUP BUY - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 1:20 PM
by JEDCO
Yes

Re: GROUP BUY - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 1:28 PM
by Lee
Hi Jedco

Thanks for participating in this GB

If we reach 20 pairs (which I believe we did), and you need an extra set for a single seat, then I am willing to produce two more pieces for that extra seat. But otherwise, I don't want start splitting sets and end up with left overs. So basically, if somebody asks me half a set for only one seat, then I will reply it is not part of the offer. ;-)

So, in short, Jedco. It's okay.

Lee

-- Added 18 Oct 2016 17:40 --

PRICE CONFIRMATION

I confirm the price. These are for US bound orders. If an order is to be shipped to Canada, then please contact me as taxes will have to be charged.

$120.00cad for a full set of adapters to fit two seats. Shipping by US Postal w/ tracking to the US is $25.00cad - Total $145.00cad
$180.00cad for 1.5 sets of adapters as per Jedco request. $28.00cad shipping - Total $208.00cad
$240.00cad for a two sets of adapters. Shipping is $28.00cad - Total $268.00cad

ETA is two weeks for production.

I welcome Paypal in Canadian currency only at massivebrakes@gmail.com

If you're not familiar with paying with a different currency, here's how it works. Very simple.
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/websc ... nd-outside

Fasteners are included. Please add in the Paypal note your fasteners requirement (as well as your forum nickname to help the process).

Per seat
Four 8mm bolts
Six 6mm bolts

So, please consider the GB closed.
Thanks all.

Lee

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 3:56 PM
by BimmerDan
Payment sent, thanks for putting this together!

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 4:18 PM
by SlickDizzy
Everybody,

Please make sure to specify what type of fasteners you need when you send your payment!!!
Fasteners are included. Please add in the Paypal note your fasteners requirement (as well as your forum nickname to help the process).

Per seat
Four 8mm bolts
Six 6mm bolts

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 4:21 PM
by bshi
Payment sent

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 9:24 PM
by rmiddendorf
Can we get both sets of fasteners? How much extra $$ should I add if yes.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 18, 2016 9:39 PM
by SlickDizzy
rmiddendorf wrote:Can we get both sets of fasteners? How much extra $$ should I add if yes.
I just sent Lee an e-mail asking if this is a possibility, he should hopefully chime in with an answer soon.

EDIT:
I am using high grade cylinder head cap screws. Not cheap. So if you want BOTH kinds of hardware add $10.00cad extra for both seats ($5.00cad per seat) and put a note in the Paypal payment.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 19, 2016 9:19 AM
by rmiddendorf
$$ sent- thank you!!!

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 19, 2016 11:06 AM
by Lee
Letting you know that whenever I receive a payment, I forward the Paypal confirmation to SlickDizzy. That way there's no ambiguity with sent payments. That way, SlickDizzy can build the update list. ;-)

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 19, 2016 11:15 AM
by SlickDizzy
Lee wrote:Letting you know that whenever I receive a payment, I forward the Paypal confirmation to SlickDizzy. That way there's no ambiguity with sent payments. That way, SlickDizzy can build the update list. ;-)
Yep! I have sent all members who requested a set a in update/request for payment via PM, and e-mails to those who specifically wanted them. I'm keeping the thread updated in nearly real-time and so far we're making good progress. If we can get everybody paid by the end of the week, that would be wonderful. :cool:

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 19, 2016 1:06 PM
by Lee
Allow me another precision. When asked to specify wether 8mm OR 6mm fasteners are required, that means that one of the two option must be picked. That's what $120.00cad gets you. Those who want BOTH sizes of fasteners (8mm as well as 6mm) can also have them but there will be a small surchage of $5.00cad per seat. Or $10.00cad for both. ;-)

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 19, 2016 5:12 PM
by p2592b
Paypal sent, thanks guys!

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 20, 2016 10:19 PM
by Swaggery
Payment sent. Thanks everyone

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 22, 2016 3:40 AM
by 528elover
Pyament sent for both sets. Thanks! - Vic B.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 23, 2016 7:06 PM
by whelton25
payment sent for both seats both sets of hardware 155cad

thanks

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 25, 2016 2:13 PM
by Foonfer
Payment sent for both seats and both sizes of fasteners. 155 CAD. Thanks!

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Oct 27, 2016 11:25 AM
by Lee
Good news. The adapters are done. Now waiting for my order of 12.9 graded cap screws.
I shall start shipping early next week.

Thanks everyone for this "quick and dirty" GB. It went smooth... ;-)

Lee

-- Added 02 Nov 2016 23:42 --

Hi gang.

All adapters have been shipped this afternoon. Expect them in 4 (business days).

These adapters will fit any bottom mounted Recaro seats that follows Recaro's bolt pattern. Old style. New style.

All fasteners are graded 12.9 and come from a reputable manufacturer.

Expecting to send tracking numbers to each of you by this evening. if you don't receive one, then most likely my email is in your spam box ;-)

Thanks everyone

Lee

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Confirming that all tracking numbers have been sent.

PS The aluminum adapters have been bead blasted. This is a great surface preparation if you want to paint them with a spray can. Paint will better stick. People preferring a polished raw alu finish, can simply wet sand them with some 400 or 600 grit.

Those who are anal with torque values could follow these specs : M8 - 25lbs.ft while M6 is 13lbs.ft

Pair of adapters for sale

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 2:15 AM
by Swaggery
Ended up having to use the e21 adapters for my recaro helios seats. Learned that the hard way. If anyone who didn't get a set still wants a chance PM me.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 9:12 AM
by Lee
Hi Swagger

Your "helios" seats look like L seats. Don't they follow the standard bolt pattern? VW had Trophy seats and those had the four 8mm bolt pattern. Can you take measures?

VolksWagen Helios

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If you want to sell the adapters, I know somebody who's looking for a set.

-- Added 14 Nov 2016 14:52 --

I did a little research on those VW Helios seats and it seems they come in two flavors. The ones with an electric adjustment base which is detachable, offering the standard Recaro mounting pattern. And the seats with mechanical adjustments which has a welded base at the bottom and doesn't have the Recaro standard mounting points.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 11:25 AM
by SlickDizzy
I actually put Helios seats in my car and they went in with little incident. Turned out my assessment of the needed hardware was incorrect (mine had a 6x8mm mounting scheme) and had to shave the seat adjustment trim a little bit, along with very slightly modifying the passenger side seat track (likely because I have a Euro car with a non-tilting passenger slider), but otherwise mine went right together as expected.

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Re: Pair of adapters for sale

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 11:32 AM
by Lee
Swaggery wrote:Ended up having to use the e21 adapters for my recaro helios seats.
I am puzzled. If you've been using successfully some e21 adapters, then those alu units should fit as they include the e21 pattern. Can you please explain what was wrong? I've been using successfully that same bolt pattern for 6 years for the e30 market. Anyway, I PM'd you the email addy of somebody interested by the adapters.

Lee

-- Added 14 Nov 2016 16:36 --

@ Desmond

More photos ? ;-)

Re: Pair of adapters for sale

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 12:22 PM
by SlickDizzy
Lee wrote:@ Desmond

More photos ? ;-)
Soon! It's tough to get good lighting in my garage and my battery decided it was suddenly too cold to function anymore with our recent cold snap :?

Overall very happy though. Gained a considerable amount of headroom and am more comfortable to boot, plus they went together easily aside from the slight mods I had to make to the passenger side rails.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 12:48 PM
by SASI
I am looking for Recaro seat adapter for stock rails e28

Seat adapters

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 2:53 PM
by Swaggery
After going back over the original ad I believe this to be the problem.
"But please take note that some Recaro seats made specifically for a car manufacturer's base system might not work as it may have a different bolt pattern. Sometimes they may even have welded brackets on them"

They are recaro helios seats from a VW Gli
The six bolt pattern shown is very similar to mine but after closer inspection the bolt holes are reversed with 2 in the front and one in the rear 6 total as well as being m8. After trying every configuration of the brackets it either resulted with being too narrow to mount to the floor or the bracket would conflict with the adjustment. I believe the e21 adapter solves the issue by elevating it and bringing the mounting points inward. If the brackets are on correctly its too wide for the seat base, if they're on reversed conflicts with back and forward adjustment arm.
Crazy_Canuck wrote:Use the E21 recaro adaptors and manual e28 bases and the seats bolt into the car without a problem.

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If I'm just doing something incorrect someone please inform me.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 3:04 PM
by SlickDizzy
Your mounting pattern sounds exactly the same as my Helios seats, which are also from a VW. I only used four of the six bolt holes on the adapters but they all lined up. The four M8 bolts should be perfectly adequate as that is what newer Recaros use. I was able to make it all work, but it took tweaking on the non-tilt passenger side. The driver's side should pose no real issues provided it is a tilt base, although IMO button-head screws are more suitable for clearance.

To anyone who has trouble, this is what I ran into and what I did:

-On the passenger side the bracket interfered with the adjustment with my Helios seats as you describe, so I bent the eyelet/tab that connects the inboard adjuster linkage to the outboard one, tweaked the linkage a bit, and it all went together fine and works as intended. I believe Lee may have made these on the assumption that the driver's/passenger's brackets are mirrored as they are on other BMWs, which is not the case on my Euro E28. The other alternative would be to either space the brackets upward to allow clearance for the adjustment linkage, OR find an RHD driver's seat base with tilt, which IS a mirror of the US-spec driver's seat tilt base, in which case everything should bolt together without incident.

-On the driver's side it went together with zero issues, although I had to loosely fasten the seat to the adapters and then fasten the adapters to the seat base, torquing it all down once everything was lined up. If the brackets were attached to the base first I did not have clearance to get the front seat screws in. I also went and purchased button-head screws for the front holes instead of cap-head as they allowed for extra clearance in this area.

So basically, I believe the reason the E21 adapters worked for Swaggery and Lee's did not are because the E21 adapters have a raised upper section with a channel to clear the passenger adjustment linkage, while Lee's adapters are flat and interfere with this linkage. Note that this only applies to NON-TILT bases. Tilt bases should go straight together and accept the adapters with no issues.

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 3:13 PM
by Swaggery
Glad someone else ran into the same issue this was driving me nuts. Ive only attempted the passenger seat so far after i ran into this issue. If i can still use Lee's brackets I'd rather not have to order the copy e21 adapters from turkey. I Pm'd you

Re: CLOSED GB - Recaro seat adapters for stock rails

Posted: Nov 14, 2016 3:35 PM
by Lee
Yeah. The adapters were designed for those tiltable bases.

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Without resorting to bending anything, I suggest that perpaps some aluminum spacers can be used between the adapters and rail to clear that "hook". How much is needed? I don't know. Can anyone chime in?

Thanks

Lee