In the spirit of "pissing contests" e28 vs e39

[C.J.]

Awesome, I was an idiot before I hit page 2 of this thread, I'm frightened to think of what my mental status is now...


Damn you Todd, 8800? Lucky bastid. If I coulda found a deal like that, I'd be driving another bimmer instead of a Mustang . How many miles are on that ride?

[skip535i]

my dad is 7'2" imagine how he feels

He probably feels like a dumbass for being part of at least 2 generations of family that screw around with cars instead of being NBA millionaries

that's funny as hell!

Word this thread has mayde mee stoopid

[535ie28]

Given all of that, why aren't you driving a boosted Miata?

-tammer

Amen.

If you want a lightweight BMW, what the hell are you doing with a 5 series? It's a mid-level Luxury car, one that happens to handle, stop and oftentimes go better than its' contemporaries but it is a luxury car nonetheless.

It wasn't build to compete with a Lotus.

e28's are already light as it is, considering the weight of other sedan/saloons, volvo is just dumb, i dont like them, maybe a newer, but im stickin with the old for now.

and personally i cant fit in a miata, im 6'4" cant even fit in the new one!!!! and the only has around like 100hp (new one more, but still on the newer, alluminum crap like the bmw) and thats not fun. not a huge fan of real small eco cars either.

i want a challenge too, not too many full racing prepped e28's out there, sedans for that matter. plus i fit well in that car thats why i want to stick with my buddy, the e28.

hell, it will cost a lot of money, i knew that going in, but with the help of my friends and family, i will be able to do it, hopefully in the near future (if nobody buys the car)

whats so luxury nowadays with an old bmw? oooh moving seats, auto windows, and thats about it. bmws today should be considered luxury only. whats so luxury about old ones? you know what it is, its a potential record breaking sedan, and im ready for it.

honestly, given the choice of me being shorter, and an e28 or a miata, id still pick the e28, because im always up for a challenge

How old are you? Honest question.

i am 26 years old. the reason why im doing it wiht this car is because its in memory of my mother who passed away 2 years ago. she always supported my automotive interests

[535ie28]

Given all of that, why aren't you driving a boosted Miata?

-tammer

Amen.

If you want a lightweight BMW, what the hell are you doing with a 5 series? It's a mid-level Luxury car, one that happens to handle, stop and oftentimes go better than its' contemporaries but it is a luxury car nonetheless.

It wasn't build to compete with a Lotus.

e28's are already light as it is, considering the weight of other sedan/saloons, volvo is just dumb, i dont like them, maybe a newer, but im stickin with the old for now.

and personally i cant fit in a miata, im 6'4" cant even fit in the new one!!!! and the only has around like 100hp (new one more, but still on the newer, alluminum crap like the bmw) and thats not fun. not a huge fan of real small eco cars either.

honestly, ur dumb, im 6'8", and i own a miata, a 98, and i took out the door panels and got a custom made racing seat, and i welded my own seat brakets in, and cut out some of the dash, and i have more than enough room, hell, thered be no prob if i was "only 6'4", so dont bich, you dont have a clue what tall is, my dad is 7'2" imagine how he feels

ok why so harsh man, is the miata not treating you well? or is it the small ass 1.6l v4 or i4 engine that pisses you off? dont insult my intelligence man. im saying, if i had a miata, i couldnt fit into it STOCK!!! im not too stupid to cut out some of the damn dash and what-not just to fit in a friggin ugly piece-of-crap mazda, let alone make fukin custom seat brackets to fit in that bucket. cuttin out the door panels FOR WHAT??? the car is junk

[535ie28]

i want a challenge too, not too many full racing prepped e28's out there, sedans for that matter.

Last I checked, all E28s are sedans. There are racing E28s and you won't be breaking any new ground, if that's your thing. Most people have moved to newer cars for racing for a reason. They are better.

-tammer

Uhhh, don't forget about the touring!

Couldn't resist.

oh yeah...lol but its still a 4 door

[turbodan]

or is it the small ass 1.6l v4 or i4 engine that pisses you off? dont insult my intelligence man.

those two sentences back to back? thats funny.

[535ie28]

haha lol

[skip535i]

i am 26 years old.

[wkohler]

i want a challenge too, not too many full racing prepped e28's out there, sedans for that matter.

Last I checked, all E28s are sedans. There are racing E28s and you won't be breaking any new ground, if that's your thing. Most people have moved to newer cars for racing for a reason. They are better.

-tammer

Uhhh, don't forget about the touring!

Couldn't resist.

oh yeah...lol but its still a 4 door

No, it's not. I'll help you through it:

LF+RF+LR+RR+tailgate= 5 doors

[SilverBullet]

Does a sunroof count as a 6th?

[FSAEracer03]

Well, page one had the contents of a good thread.

Todd, good choice! E39s are fantastic cars, and those BBS really set of their good lines. I'm in the market for an M5 pretty soon, myself. Since they came over here, I've thought those were the ultimate daily drivers, and still hold to that belief. To see low-mileage examples going for $30k (and sometimes less) is mind-boggling to me, so I'm taking advantage of it while I can still find the one I want.

Enjoy it! Looking forward to seeing it with some positive pressure.

[jcmass]

I bought an e39 540iA with 122K a year a half ago for $5000 and it came with two sets of wheels one of which I sold for $500. Is $8800 really a steal for an e39? It is a very nice looking car though.

Anyway, I commute with the e39 500-1000k miles a week. I drive the e28 on the weekends. The V8 in the 540i feels nice on the highway but the e28 is much much more fun to drive. My worthless .02.

[535ie28]

i want a challenge too, not too many full racing prepped e28's out there, sedans for that matter.

Last I checked, all E28s are sedans. There are racing E28s and you won't be breaking any new ground, if that's your thing. Most people have moved to newer cars for racing for a reason. They are better.

-tammer

Uhhh, don't forget about the touring!

Couldn't resist.

oh yeah...lol but its still a 4 door

No, it's not. I'll help you through it:

LF+RF+LR+RR+tailgate= 5 doors

ugh ok, fine, but doors that lead to *safe* places to sit in=4

[T_C_D]

I bought an e39 540iA with 122K a year a half ago for $5000 and it came with two sets of wheels one of which I sold for $500. Is $8800 really a steal for an e39? It is a very nice looking car though.

Anyway, I commute with the e39 500-1000k miles a week. I drive the e28 on the weekends. The V8 in the 540i feels nice on the highway but the e28 is much much more fun to drive. My worthless .02.

540i are almost free because they get horrible gas mileage and the perceived complication of the V8. Still $5000 is very cheap.

[clevertd]

I've been driving my sisters E39 525i sport package(MY '02) while my E34 535i is down... if it weren't out of my price range, I'd get the E39 in an instant.

[SheerHippo]

I test drove two black 2003 540i M-Sport's a while back, 6-speed manual and automatic...hands down the two best cars i've ever driven. It was like heaven was contained inside of them --> endless power, razor sharp handling, good looks, total luxury. I want one.

[Tammer in Philly]

You know what sucks? Despite its looks, the E60 is better.

-tammer

[bmanice]

Staggared tires can be swapped from left to right. Thats right Sally, dismount, swap and presto improved treadware.

... that has really no point, and will not improve your tread wear... unless u dismount your wider rear tires and put them up front?? left to right doesnt do jack, unless your finding yourself making perpetual right hand turns...

[Tammer in Philly]

Staggared tires can be swapped from left to right. Thats right Sally, dismount, swap and presto improved treadware. :up:

... that has really no point, and will not improve your tread wear... unless u dismount your wider rear tires and put them up front?? left to right doesnt do jack, unless your finding yourself making perpetual right hand turns...

:|

No, it does a lot. The insides of the rear tires tend to wear first due to the negative camber. Dismounting the tire, flipping it, and re-mounting it so the left is now right, outside is now inside, means you get the thick meaty non-worn tread on the ground. I will certainly do this with the R-comps on the track car.

-tammer

[Steve in No Va]

The problem with trying to swap side to side is that with directional tires, the tires are pointing in the wrong direction when you do this. I'm pretty sure when I looked at my dad's tires, they were directional. So that was not an option.

[wkohler]

You don't turn them around. You just move them straight across the back. What was on the inside on the left is now on the outside on the right.

[bmanice]

Staggared tires can be swapped from left to right. Thats right Sally, dismount, swap and presto improved treadware.

... that has really no point, and will not improve your tread wear... unless u dismount your wider rear tires and put them up front?? left to right doesnt do jack, unless your finding yourself making perpetual right hand turns...

No, it does a lot. The insides of the rear tires tend to wear first due to the negative camber. Dismounting the tire, flipping it, and re-mounting it so the left is now right, outside is now inside, means you get the thick meaty non-worn tread on the ground. I will certainly do this with the R-comps on the track car.

-tammer

funny how i've owned this e28 for about a year, drove it nearly every day and never saw uneven tire wear in the rear... maybe i have a special edition e28


in the end staggered still sucks for a DD... no point in arguing that because its obvious, unless of course you like buying tires every 3 oil changes.... its a lot more cost effective when you rotate all 4 accordingly (another obvious point)

[Steve in No Va]

wkohler Posted: 17 Jun 2007 01:43 Post subject:

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You don't turn them around. You just move them straight across the back. What was on the inside on the left is now on the outside on the right.

That's a new one. I have yet to see a wheel that you can move from side to side without flipping it. The ONLY way you can move a directional tire from side to side is to remove it from the wheel and remount it in the opposite direction. Otherwise, it will be rotating in the wrong direction. why is this so hard to understand?

[Boru]

Guys, you dismount the tire from the wheel and flip it around. If the tires are directional you then swap the assemblies left for right... very simple.

[Shawn D.]

You don't turn them around. You just move them straight across the back. What was on the inside on the left is now on the outside on the right.

That's a new one. I have yet to see a wheel that you can move from side to side without flipping it. The ONLY way you can move a directional tire from side to side is to remove it from the wheel and remount it in the opposite direction. Otherwise, it will be rotating in the wrong direction. why is this so hard to understand?

That's what he was saying -- the "them" part is referring to "the tires." He just didn't repeat the description of the dismounting/remounting process that had already been described three times. His last sentence wouldn't have made any sense otherwise, now would it? Did you really think he was saying you could bolt the wheel on inside out?

Now, to add to the (non-) confusion, tires can be both directional and side-specific. In that case, a staggered set of these wouldn't be a candidate for this procedure.

[chrism]

Guys, you dismount the tire from the wheel and flip it around. If the tires are directional you then swap the assemblies left for right... very simple.

I think its the simplicity thats gettin' em confused. We need to create a 47 step process.

I should have said to put the shiney siliconed outside on the inside of the opposite side, and the dull inside on the outside of the opposite side...now thats almost confusing

[SilverBullet]

funny how i've owned this e28 for about a year, drove it nearly every day and never saw uneven tire wear in the rear... maybe i have a special edition e28

Are u serious? U must either have a huge lift kit or completely screwed bushes/bent suspension, or someones put in essentric bushes. Even my brothers standard 520i has visable neg camber!

[Azure]

funny how i've owned this e28 for about a year, drove it nearly every day and never saw uneven tire wear in the rear... maybe i have a special edition e28

Are u serious? U must either have a huge lift kit or completely screwed bushes/bent suspension, or someones put in essentric bushes. Even my brothers standard 520i has visable neg camber!

Or he's running tire compounds that are hard enough that a years worth of driving barely wore them at all. I'm running Proxes 4s and I haven't seen any real wear over the last year, either.

[bmanice]

There is obvious negative camber, no doubt about it, isn't that a given? Did i say there wasn't? Doesn't mean its tearing your tires to shreds... the wear is negligible... i'm not an auto-x driver or doing SCCA meets every weekend. i'm just saying from daily driving, over the past year, the rear tire wear is pretty even, and my car is in well maintained condition with no "lift kit, tweaks, or bad bushes", thanks for asking.....

and the point to what im saying is, there is nothing better than being able to rotate all four tires, because we all know the front ones wear alot quicker than the rears....


(from a daily driver stand point...)


YES, staggered wheels look optimal, and in some cases are necessary to meet traction needs/wants... that wasn't what i was talking about though....

[bmanice]

funny how i've owned this e28 for about a year, drove it nearly every day and never saw uneven tire wear in the rear... maybe i have a special edition e28

Are u serious? U must either have a huge lift kit or completely screwed bushes/bent suspension, or someones put in essentric bushes. Even my brothers standard 520i has visable neg camber!

Or he's running tire compounds that are hard enough that a years worth of driving barely wore them at all. I'm running Proxes 4s and I haven't seen any real wear over the last year, either.

thanks^^^^^^

...And back to the real pissing contest.... i would love to drive a well-maintained e39 daily, despite the flaws it has (if you want to call them flaws), to me they are minuscule. Its a beautiful car, quiet smooth ride, and theres nothing like that new bmw feel. If i were financially able to purchase a new(er) car the e39 would be a first pick... im not even going to lie.... my reasoning is biased because i want to restore my e28, and its hard when i have to rely on it for my everyday needs...