OT -- Prius = Speed Bump

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Tammer in Philly
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Post by Tammer in Philly »

TurboChris wrote:
How do you arrive at this conclusion?
With math.

Sources vary (index mundi vs. dept. of interior data), but roughly:

2009 US oil consumption: 18.7 million bbl/day (6.8 billion bbl/yr).

Estimates of ANWR recoverable reserves at 95% probability of success = 5.7 billion bbl. That's <1 year supply.

From the DOE: low and high annual production numbers are 250 - 800 million bbl. That's between 3.5% and 11% of total annual consumption. Of course, given the cap on total recoverable volume, if you're producing at the high end of the scale, you'll run out in 10 years. My statement of "it's a few percent" is spot on: it's a few percent for 30 years, or 10% for a 10 years. And that's after a 7-10 year lead time to ramp up production.

Even if the total volume is not insignificant, when you factor in the environmental risks of offshore drilling in difficult waters (see Deepwater Horizon), it is only right to ask cost/benefit questions. As far as the geopolitical aspects, we import between 9 and 12 million bbl/day (depending on sources, 2009 data). Of that, about 20% comes from the Middle East, mostly Saudi Arabia. The vast majority of our imports come from Canada and Mexico. Reducing oil consumption is a good political move long-term, but at the very best, drilling in US waters won't even replace half of our Mid-East imports for a decade.

In case I didn't make my point clear, the volume of incremental accessible domestic oil is insignificant relative to the risks of extraction.

-tammer
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I have tired head and I probably contributed to that. Sorry. I just wish we legislated less and allowed freedom of choice (except for abortion - that should get Tammer started :laugh: ). I mean, abortion as a means of birth control......sorry, wrong subject.

Seriously, drill for more oil, any help with supply lowering cost I am for, If that could happen. Tammer says, no dice, but I like to be optimistic.

Hey, build cars that people will buy, whether they are diesel hogs or sipping hybrids. Just allow choice and less government interventions and kick backs - oops - I mean political involvement when it comes to cars and choice of fuel I want to use. Someday if every car can be driven on "pixie" dust and the price is .02 cents a mile, I am in!

Tammer you made valid knowledgable points, my passionate dialogue has some possible holes in it, but the overall gist of my message is still the same - Burn baby burn, smoke that diesel :D
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PM sent for sticker. Hope i got one1! :D
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You got the last ones....on the way!
SD45T-2 wrote:PM sent for sticker. Hope i got one1! :D
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Post by Havokin »

Tammer in Philly wrote:
scott s wrote:I wonder if 20 MPG using bio diesel fuel is cleaner than under 40 MPG using gasoline in a Prius.
Who's ever gotten under 40 mpg in a Prius? I've had the opportunity to drive a few, and by absolutely wringing the shit out of one I managed to average 38 mpg on a 10-mile trip. It's quite tough to get them below 40 mpg. Also, the people who use biodiesel don't keep track of the energy input it takes to make it. People running straight WVO are doing better, but modern diesels aren't easily retrofitted to that (and WVO runs dirtier from an exhaust standpoint).

Face it, the Prius is more energy efficient. That doesn't mean it will save the owner money, but it does mean it will use less energy.
-tammer
Im going to go WAY back to the earlier part of this thread. A friend of mine has a 2008 prius as a dedicated city driving car because after you use up the battery on the highway, assuming it is fully charged, (after about 60-80 miles with their weight of foot) you run on gas, at that point their gas engine has to kick in and carry them around. At this point they watch as their 50-60 city MPG's drops to about 26 using gasoline on the highway - their car is in great condition according to the dealership they take it to.

Same family bought a 2010 TDI sport and use that as the non-hauling DD for the dad, who has an 80 mile round-trip commute (~20 city miles there, the rest during heavy traffic hours) and is averaging 42 overall MPG's. His city doesn't drop below about 25+/- a couple MPG's depending if he leaves late or early. His highway MPG's is in the early 50's. They went up to San Diego with the seats filled with people averaging about 200 pounds, plus gear, drove around a tiny bit during their stay, and came back having purchased a tank and a half of gas, and had just under a quarter of a tank left.

So with the same driving habits, same people, and owning both TDI AND Prius they can safely say that the Prius is actually much worse cost effectiveness for anything but a dedicated high-traffic commute or city driver.

The difference is noticeable to the point that that they nearly traded in their Prius as the down-payment for another TDI when the new chassis came out.

These are people who are major green-heads, not the "better than you" types, but the people who would like to see clean cars.

Side note: back to OP's intent - I think that that lady needs to get the old redwood out of her butt. The guy tried to fix the issue, you should try parking the proper direction in the spot and do stuff on YOUR end to try to fix the problem before bitching others out. The world doesn't revolve around you :P
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Post by Tammer in Philly »

That's interesting. The Prius I thrashed on was driven to Philly from Detroit (belongs to a friend's girlfriend and they came to visit). He reported that their highway mileage was in the mid- to high-40s at his normal driving style. I know that with a Mk4 Jetta TDI in healthy condition you can pull a consistent 50+ mpg hwy. So, I buy that the VW is better for long trips, but I'm surprised if they're seeing a huge difference, especially given that the Mk6 TDI isn't quite as good as the Mk4 for mileage (though it runs much cleaner).

-tammer
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Post by wkohler »

Neighbor just bought a new TDI Passat. Got an AVERAGE of 46mpg over their 7000 trip back east to FL, then Boston and some places on the way home. They weren't being easy on it either. It's an auto and they said it has more power than the charger it replaced and never even downshifted going up hills.

It's actually a nice looking car, too. Beats the hell out of a Prius.
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I totally forgot about the stickers but came across them this weekend and installed em on Das Boot. lololol!!1



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Brian in TN wrote:I totally forgot about the stickers but came across them this weekend and installed em on Das Boot. lololol!!1



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I have never understood the mentality of someone who would put something on their vehicle that is so divisive and mean spirited, and not even use the real word "FUCK." PG-13 douchebaggery?
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FastFiver wrote:
I have never understood the mentality of someone who would put something on their vehicle that is so divisive and mean spirited, and not even use the real word "FUCK." PG-13 douchebaggery?
If it makes you feel any better, on the back window is a My Little Pony sticker.
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Post by slammin_e28 »

Brian in TN wrote:
FastFiver wrote:
I have never understood the mentality of someone who would put something on their vehicle that is so divisive and mean spirited, and not even use the real word "FUCK." PG-13 douchebaggery?
If it makes you feel any better, on the back window is a My Little Pony sticker.
Pics of ban!

Now I wanna buy an old ass diesel truxxors for the lulzors.
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The boy wants to argue with a man who has no door handles and whose car is painted with bedliner. . . :rotz:
Brian in TN
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Post by Brian in TN »

\/ \/. See Slammins quote below. Goodnite.
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Post by Patrick McHugh »

I didn't read past the first few posts, just stopping in to say that hybrid cars are pretty freaking cool.
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Post by Jeremy »

slammin_e28 wrote:Pics of ban!
To my knowledge, there are no photographs of me wielding the MyE28.com ban hammer.

The ban is a lie.*

*Amusingly, there are one or two members that the board populace assume got banned, but in fact weren't. They just left of their own volition and/or no longer post.
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Brian in TN wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, on the back window is a My Little Pony sticker.
r/clopclop
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Post by WilNJ »

Jeremy wrote:
slammin_e28 wrote:Pics of ban!
To my knowledge, there are no photographs of me wielding the MyE28.com ban hammer.
I think he meant Pics or ban!

It doesn't really fit any other context.
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Post by TurboChris »

Hahahahhahaa Nice!

Brian in TN wrote:I totally forgot about the stickers but came across them this weekend and installed em on Das Boot. lololol!!1



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Brian in TN
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Post by Brian in TN »

Fairly certain this guy saw the sticker on my back window. Shot me the stink eye as he passed. lol

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