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Our cars sure are getting harder to find...
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 5:47 PM
by bane.oh
I like craigslist, and surf it just for fun. Is it my imagination or are e28's getting harder and harder to find? Especially for a good value. People seem to be charging almost double what they were going for 2 years ago. If you can find one in good shape, people are asking $4000+! On here, enthusiasts seem to be selling them at fair prices, but craigslisters are losing their minds! What is going on? Have good examples really become that hard to find or are there just a few people that love their e28's so much they think they can get crazy prices for them? I bought my first e28 2.5 years ago, in near perfect condition for $1800. If I had that car now, I bet I could sell it for $5000 on CL! What gives? Not that I don't like seeing them appreciate so much. It makes me proud to drive my sweet little euro 525i.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 7:00 PM
by cleeves
Except for the E28 M5.
I think it's easier to find a nice E24 than it is to find a nice E28. There were about 10x more E28's built though. I guess owners valued the coupes over the sedans.
Henry
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:03 PM
by Ken H.
Worth noting, virtually all used vehicles that are in decent shape have seen a noticeable increase in price over the past year.
Why? People are simply holding onto them longer. In recent years, build quality has improved, so the sled is not as inclined to turn into a piece of trash as quickly. Second, priced out new iron lately? Third, we have an economy which sucks muddy canal water. This leaves the 99% of us looking for something other than a financial ream-job. Used vehicles supply < demand. Prices go (or stay) up. Simple, no?
And where 25 y.o. sedans are concerned, beaucoup attrition--wear, tear, wrecks, cannibalization. If $1800 is your price point, time to start thinking 1990 Honda Accord, son.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM
by al525i
A lot changed a few years ago when scrap metal prices went up really high. I got rid of a few cars back then that i wish i hadn't. Also scrapped some parts that were at the time worth more in scrap than as a good, used part. I think a lot of people did the same thing and now the older cars and the parts for them are becoming more and more scarce. I think a compounding factor is that the older cars are hitting another wave of not usual wear items wearing out and requiring replacement to remaing serviceable. Its hard to say, but i think several people are finally to the point that its no longer worth it to them to keep their e28 serviced and running.
I've been in the e28 community for over ten years now and the threads you see about rebuilding engines were once un-heard of. even on the early cars, but they are all showing their age now. The un-availablility of parts is also fairly recent. It used to be that the only part you couldn't get brand new from the dealer was the glass moonroof cover slider pieces. I think the major tipping point was when the blue toolkit rags vanished from stock. After that, parts stated becoming harder and harder to get.
i think there are more factors such as generally getting worn out, having wrecks, and just being abandoned that have had an adverse effect on the supply of these cars but those are the big ones.
my opinion is to hang on to the decent ones and try to keep the nice ones for sunny day duty.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:17 PM
by stuartinmn
In the rust belt they've been very hard to find for years now.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:34 PM
by rmiddendorf
stuartinmn wrote:In the rust belt they've been very hard to find for years now.
Yep.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:42 PM
by alijonny
There used to be at least 3 e28s for pickin at the junkyards, now all spaces are Kia rios and old nissans.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:43 PM
by Duke
Whats a E28?
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:44 PM
by Motronic
rmiddendorf wrote:stuartinmn wrote:In the rust belt they've been very hard to find for years now.
Yep.
^^^X three
I rarely see any on the road here, but every once and a while I'll pass one on the highway and exchange glances.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 8:46 PM
by rmiddendorf
Duke wrote:Whats a E28?
Dukie needs a grammar lesson...
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 9:07 PM
by tschultz
I have noticed a drop of E28's for sale around here. When I bought mine 3 years ago, it was tougher to find an IS, but now there are almost no 528's available.
I don't even live in the rust belt.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 9:39 PM
by Mike W.
Don't forget those are asking prices, not sale prices. A couple of people here have had real trouble selling their cars in the past year or two. I still don't know if was lucky or gave it away when I sold mine two years ago. But there is just a limited market for cars with 330K on the dial, even if they are solid.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 9:50 PM
by davintosh
I know of six -- rumors of a seventh -- in my local area. One is in the junkyard, one is a total crapwagon and two others have significant rust issues, so I doubt they'll be around much longer. Makes me sad whenever I hear of anybody parting one out to send to the scrapper. As the numbers dwindle that shouldn't happen so often, even to the lowly etas, unless there is significant damage.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 10:01 PM
by stuartinmn
I do see three or four of them in regular use in the Minneapolis area during the summer months.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 10:13 PM
by Rich Euro M5
I rarely see E28s on the road around the suburbs north of Houston. When I do, it's someone here. I did notice an E28 at the airport the other day, it appeared to still have TRX wheels / tires on it. From my vantage point about 50 feet away, it was a beater.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 10:27 PM
by cddallara
I can't get $300 for a rust free, straight bodied, 5 speed mostly all there parts car. Its going to the scrap as soon as I can schedule it.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 10:40 PM
by 1st 5er
Yes they are dwindling in number, but as Mike pointed out, the prices you referenced are asking not sold.
There's a huge difference.
Someone pointed out a few weeks back that the gap between the garage queen and the beater daily driver is widening.
This in itself will cause the value of the beater to escalate somewhat.
The model, "you raise the bottom by raising the top" fits this scenario.
I've got an '88 rust free 535i auto that has a title issue that's not far from being parted.
I may not be able to resist much longer.
Oh yeah, it's Bronzit.
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 10:56 PM
by davintosh
cddallara wrote:I can't get $300 for a rust free, straight bodied, 5 speed mostly all there parts car. Its going to the scrap as soon as I can schedule it.
Do you deliver?
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 11:23 PM
by nik77356
1st 5er wrote:I've got an '88 rust free 535i auto that has a title issue that's not far from being parted.
I may not be able to resist much longer.
Oh yeah, it's Bronzit.
If that's the Craigslist one I think it is, I call dibs on the motor!
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 11:32 PM
by 1st 5er
nik77356 wrote:1st 5er wrote:I've got an '88 rust free 535i auto that has a title issue that's not far from being parted.
I may not be able to resist much longer.
Oh yeah, it's Bronzit.
If that's the Craigslist one I think it is, I call dibs on the motor!
No, not on Craigslist, at least by me.
I did buy it through CL though, was that in 2010?
If it's the motor you want, you know how to reach me...
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM
by Eta power
rmiddendorf wrote:Duke wrote:Whats a E28?
Dukie needs a grammar lesson...
Re: Our cars sure are getting harder to find...
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:39 PM
by mechacode
bane.oh wrote:If you can find one in good shape, people are asking $4000+!
I'd take 4k for mine any day of the week.
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 10:11 AM
by strokez
al525i wrote:. After that, parts stated becoming harder and harder to get.
Most definitely! Through my efforts of baselining the car over the past year, I frequently get shorted on an order or it's just plain not available. Kinda fun though since it leads to getting deeper into the fix or inspection and ususally reveals an issue waiting to happen.
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 11:45 AM
by Nicke28
I think at this point e28's are either owned by enthusiast or parted out. I'm starting to notice the same thing with e34's and e36's. I don't see as many non enthusiast e34's and e36's anymore.
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 7:23 PM
by RossDinan6
Considered "Cash for Clunkers"? No way .gov could affect the market, could it?
Ross
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 7:45 PM
by 1st 5er
RossDinan6 wrote:Considered "Cash for Clunkers"? No way .gov could affect the market, could it?
Ross
Even TX has
one of these stinkin' programs.
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 11:24 PM
by Mike W.
Nicke28 wrote:I think at this point e28's are either owned by enthusiast or parted out. I'm starting to notice the same thing with e34's and e36's. I don't see as many non enthusiast e34's and e36's anymore.
It's all location. Most of the above I see are beaters. A little less so for E36s, but especially E28s. Once in a while a nice car, but not often. And far rarer that it's an enthusiast car.
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:36 AM
by mechacode
RossDinan6 wrote:Considered "Cash for Clunkers"? No way .gov could affect the market, could it?
Ross
Most of the cars that were traded in were late models. Yet another stupid program by idiotic senators for a short term boost in popularity that spent far more money than it really saved.
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:12 AM
by Nicke28
1st 5er wrote:RossDinan6 wrote:Considered "Cash for Clunkers"? No way .gov could affect the market, could it?
Ross
Even TX has
one of these stinkin' programs.
The great state of Texas has the never of telling me I should trade in my M5 for a more fuel efficient, greener and safer car.
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:14 AM
by Nicke28
Mike W. wrote:Nicke28 wrote:I think at this point e28's are either owned by enthusiast or parted out. I'm starting to notice the same thing with e34's and e36's. I don't see as many non enthusiast e34's and e36's anymore.
It's all location. Most of the above I see are beaters. A little less so for E36s, but especially E28s. Once in a while a nice car, but not often. And far rarer that it's an enthusiast car.
Last time I was in in the bay area I saw a fair amount(not a lot by any means) of e30's and e28's being driven around.