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M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 10:12 AM
by Tifoso
I purchased one of my dream cars, a euro-ized E28 M5, last fall. While the car was well maintained by its prior owners, as I enjoyed the car over the first couple of months, I kept a running list of all of the things I wanted corrected to bring the car to that "next level" - both mechanically and cosmetically. Thanks to Mario Langsten and his expert crew at VSR, the transformation is now complete! The car looks and drives like an absolute dream....

Here are some before and after photos.

BEFORE

Started with a nice euro look, H&R springs:

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Lots of rock chips in the front valance, hood, and quarter panels:

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Rear valance was a bit of a mess:

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AFTER

Overall view - including new Fikse wheels, spax springs:

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Hood, front quarter panels, and valance all expertly re-painted:

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Rear valance completely stripped and re-finished, painted to match body color. I know it's not "stock," but it looks incredible, and really helps to "balance" the look of the car:

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All business:

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Interior shots, including Mtech II wheel, new audio system with Nakamichi head unit, euro cloth:

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One last shot:

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Posted: Jul 06, 2012 11:15 AM
by S38Mike
Looks sharp dude! I dig the Fikse's.

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 11:35 AM
by Jelmer538i
Very, vey nice and shiny! You guys are lucky with all those Swart E28s!

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 12:23 PM
by gray635
Isn't this Brooks Robinson's old car? Seem to recall the cloth interior in his car.

Looks very nice. Congrats on good job! :alright: :alright:

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 12:44 PM
by rcbmw
gray635 wrote:Isn't this Brooks Robinson's old car?
Yes, its 2875331.

Best,
RCBMW

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 12:57 PM
by elcinco
VERY NICE!

whats the specs on wheels/tires and suspension?

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 1:26 PM
by Jeff B.
The car looks great! I'm sure it drives as good as it looks.

Nice work on refreshing the M5.

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 2:26 PM
by Kyle in NO
What a fabulous M5! I really like what you have done.

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 4:34 PM
by Tifoso
Thanks for the kind words, everyone! I'm really thrilled with how she turned out.

This is indeed Brooks Robinson's former M5.

To answer the questions about suspension and wheel specs:

Suspension is Bilstein Sports with Spax springs, all worn bushings replaced, front and rear Mason strut bars.

Wheels are 17 x 8.5. Fikse spec'd an offset of ET13. Turns out that is too aggressive for a lowered car. Oops. Even with 225/45s, I was rubbing in the rear. Additional fender rolling did the trick, and there are no longer any rubbing issues, even with folks in the back seat. In retrospect, I could've gone with an 8" instead of 8.5" width, same offset, to save me some trouble.... But it's fun to push the envelope once in a while.

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 5:28 PM
by 5280 JB
Dayum..........that looks great! You've taken an already great looking car and escalated it up to the next level. :alright:

Well done sir, well done.

Jim

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 9:36 PM
by mooseheadm5
Looks fantastic!

Posted: Jul 06, 2012 9:51 PM
by Karl Grau
I love it, good work! :alright:

Posted: Jul 07, 2012 12:16 AM
by TurboChris
Looking great! Get a new Radiator reservoir in that engine compartment tho, they're only like $35!

Edit: Whoops, they're more like $116.00 I was thinking of the Washer bottle.

Posted: Jul 07, 2012 2:55 AM
by wkohler
That's a beautiful car. Congrats.

Posted: Jul 07, 2012 7:27 AM
by M. Holtmeier
Wow, very nice. :)

Posted: Jul 07, 2012 11:28 AM
by Mark in Toronto
Heino is very impressed with the attention to detail. And the cloth seats are killer!

Posted: Jul 07, 2012 8:25 PM
by Mab1957
Very nice. :up: Good to have you join this circus. Will we see you at PVGP or maybe O'Fest/5erFest? :roundel:

Posted: Jul 08, 2012 12:20 AM
by 1st 5er
Love me some cloth seats, beautiful car.

Posted: Jul 08, 2012 12:21 AM
by Dinan e28
Very nice indeed. The fisks and cloth seats make it more individual.

Posted: Jul 08, 2012 11:42 AM
by 1st 5er
TurboChris wrote:Looking great! Get a new Radiator reservoir in that engine compartment tho, they're only like $116.00!
FTFY ;)

Posted: Jul 08, 2012 11:43 AM
by Hilda
Great work on a great ride,nothing like that black schwarz.

Posted: Jul 08, 2012 6:47 PM
by Retro Rust
Nice car man. Its examples like these that make me want to euro-ize mine.

Posted: Jul 09, 2012 12:45 PM
by MicahO
Beautiful! This car was in some ways inspirational for my own changes. I do love a Euro-ed car with cloth!

Posted: Jul 11, 2012 10:16 PM
by Devinder
great choice of wheels. just when you think you've seen all the combinations of wheels and trim ...

Posted: Jul 23, 2012 4:33 AM
by mallex
simply gorgeous, the M-tech 2 completes the look beautifully ;)

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 17, 2016 3:01 PM
by Tifoso
I wanted to update this thread because Phase II of the M5 makeover is now complete. This update focused on engine performance and engine bay cosmetics. Modifications included:

- JB Racing lightweight flywheel
- Schrick 280 deg. intake cam and S38B36 exhaust cam
- Euro headers (ceramic coated)
- Carbon fiber airbox (approximates shape and location of stock box, but increases volume) and snorkel
- Miller "Powerfold" extended intake couplers
- MAXX Alpha N engine management
- Powdercoated valve cover (gloss black)
- Misc. engine maintenance and engine bay clean-up

My goal was to wake this engine up a bit and give it a nice intake bark. Mission accomplished -- this thing screams! And the sound of the carbon airbox at full throttle from 3,500 RPM on up is incredible (but it is very subtle when cruising).

I have to say that the every day driveability with the MAXX Alpha N system is beyond reproach. We are going to dyno tune shortly for more power and some fine tuning, but with some "real world" driving/tuning under our belt, the Alpha N has proven to really work amazingly well in all conditions. All work was done by Mario Langsten and his team at Vintage Sports and Restoration, so I can't provide any "how to's" sadly, but I can tell you that she now runs like a bat out of hell!

A few photos:

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Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 17, 2016 4:38 PM
by Mark 88/M5 Houston
Pretty and fast, I can't think of a better combination in a car!

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 17, 2016 8:43 PM
by Karl Grau
Can you give us any info on the carbon fiber intake setup?

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 20, 2016 9:50 AM
by Tifoso
Karl Grau wrote:Can you give us any info on the carbon fiber intake setup?
The carbon box and snorkel are made by Christian Opitz in Germany. His website is here:

http://www.vft-opitz.de/

Here's an ebay link for the box I purchased:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-M5-E28-Carbo ... 1005313994

The quality of the carbon work isn't top notch, but the price is fairly reasonable compared to other carbon boxes out there, and the box certainly functions well. He offers different inlet diameters based upon the application. Because I was doing Alpha N, he was able to provide a 120 mm inlet diameter.

The carbon setup offers an increase in volume over the stock box. No numbers could be provided, but the carbon box is considerably wider/deeper than the stock box. There is a much larger carbon box that is also offered (for an E34), but it seemed to require too much work to get it to fit in an E28 engine bay....

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 21, 2016 1:40 AM
by tig

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 22, 2016 12:16 AM
by Tammer in Philly
Car looks amazing. Great work. Hope you held onto the stock S38 parts.

I am trying hard, but I think the only gripe I can make is that I don't love the intake hose between the carbon fiber pieces. Is there an appropriately-sized silicone tube or something that could work and be a solid color (preferably black)?

Overall--stunning. By the way - in your first round of pics, I was thinking "such a nice and clean car but that old coolant bottle ..." Well, you fixed that and more!

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 22, 2016 6:46 PM
by Tifoso
Tammer in Philly wrote:Car looks amazing. Great work. Hope you held onto the stock S38 parts.

I am trying hard, but I think the only gripe I can make is that I don't love the intake hose between the carbon fiber pieces. Is there an appropriately-sized silicone tube or something that could work and be a solid color (preferably black)?

Overall--stunning. By the way - in your first round of pics, I was thinking "such a nice and clean car but that old coolant bottle ..." Well, you fixed that and more!
Thanks! Yes, absolutely, I have retained all of the stock S38 parts.

I hear you on the intake hose. The original hose that we found was red, which I was not happy with, so this one is a huge improvement! I agree that it would be ideal to have one that was all black, but I think it's difficult to find one with the right heat/rigidity specs in the proper 120 mm diameter.... I will definitely keep my eyes peeled, though.

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 25, 2016 8:41 PM
by m-racer
Excellent work. I used Alpha N on my former (TiminNF's) stroker M30because I had good experiences with the system on E30 M3s. Your is the only S38 with that engine management that I have read about. How is it working for you - what type of performance change did you see? I assume you used closed loop. Look forward to reading more.

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 26, 2016 10:53 PM
by HealeyBN7
With the new air box and snorkel are you still running an air filter? I just can't figure out where is would be given the headlights are just about inline with the radiator cross brace.

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 27, 2016 1:17 PM
by tn535i
I like almost everything and I won't say what I don't because it's personal preference but agree with that hose and where is the AF now ?

You might try some of those plastic straps with the snap together grips if they come big enough. The would look cleaner and are easy to reuse and it's not like you need an absolute seal there. I'm thinking the 120mm is probably going to limit your choices though and 100mm (4") would have probably been plenty big and give more options for hose and clamps. A nice aluminum transition on each would look good and could be glued on the CF boxes.

Where did you get the coated headers? Nice. What about the rest of the exhaust or did I miss the description?

Great work, wish I had the time to spend on a project like this. Maybe in retirement. Hah.

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 27, 2016 8:47 PM
by HealeyBN7
I do like it. The location of the MAF sensor is also interesting. I am using Dan Millers 4" MAF and I considered restricting the ID to 3.5 or smaller to pick up a more definitive signal at idle to 3k. I know that would be a trade off at 7k.

I probably won't do it as I have it dialed in well enough to pull cleanly to redline and still pass smog, but I must be missing something in my analysis of you are able to get excellent drivability with a Panamal canal sized ID. It must be the better ECU that allows the soft are signal?

As another data point, I have wonderful traceability on my Lotus with no MAF and a well tuned OMeX system.

Enough rambling. Nice work!

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jun 30, 2016 11:12 PM
by Das_Prachtstrasse
HealeyBN7 wrote:I do like it. The location of the MAF sensor is also interesting. I am using Dan Millers 4" MAF and I considered restricting the ID to 3.5 or smaller to pick up a more definitive signal at idle to 3k. I know that would be a trade off at 7k
What MAF sensor?

Nice to see someone getting good streetable results from Alpha-N tuning. I've been contemplating this path on my ITB'd M30 to avoid an airbox all together and am beginning to lean towards it more now I've seen this.

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jul 02, 2016 2:13 PM
by HealeyBN7
Das_Prachtstrasse wrote:
What MAF sensor?
I didn't realize the Alpha-N system didn't use a MAF. I should have done some homework before commenting... Always a good rule.

I guess that's a temp sensor I mistook for a MAF. And I should have noticed the TPS was changed. Probably to get a linear signal.

Nice set up.

Dean

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jul 07, 2016 11:05 AM
by Tifoso
We're planning to dyno tune shortly, so we should have some numbers to test my seat-of-pants observations which are: quicker throttle response, slight reduction in low end torque, and a solid wave of more power from 4,000 RPM on up. Driveability (including stop and go, part throttle inputs, coasting, idle quality) all remain excellent.

Someone asked about exhaust specs -- the euro headers are mated to a VSR center section and a B&B muffler. I like the exhaust sound -- I was worried it would be too loud when I added the headers, but not at all the case. A nice bellow when you get on it, fairly quiet at cruise, and no droning whatsoever....

In terms of filtration, we had to improvise -- VSR used some filter foam to fabricate a panel filter that sits just in front of the airbox, with a bracket system that allows fairly easy removal for cleaning or replacement. I will post a photo.

Carmine

Re: M5 "Makeover" (Photo Heavy!)

Posted: Jul 11, 2016 2:04 PM
by austin_caccavo
Does it get more perfect than this? I am beyond jealous!!