big case diff. pinion slop

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big case diff. pinion slop

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My big case has slop in its pinion but is otherwise just fine. It's a low mile unit, the seals/bearings are just fine and there's no reason to rebuild it.

Do I need to start from scratch and put a new crush unit in there or can it simply be tightened until the slop's out of it?
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Radial or axial?
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Axial. It's not much but enough to translate to a few inches when the wheels are rotated.
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Is the ring or pinion gear wear pattern off? Can you post a picture of the teeth?

I'll say that just tightening the pinion nut is almost never the correct solution.
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Bill in MN wrote:Axial. It's not much but enough to translate to a few inches when the wheels are rotated.
That sounds normal to me. There is a specific amount of lash built into a ring & pinion set up. If your pinion isn't sliding in and out of the front of the diff (pinion depth) or wobbling from side to side, it should be fine.

The best way to judge the health of a diff is to inspect the wear patterns on the pinion and ring gear teeth.
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I can see no wear in either the ring or pinion. It's loose enough to clank when I engage the trans, however, and translates to about 1/8" inch slop in the drive shaft.

It may in fact be normal. I have 0 sound insulation in the car, the tunnel's made of core and kevlar so every driveline noise resonates like crazy. It is not a quiet environment.
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I'm not sure what the lash is supposed to be for that diff, but I've typically seen it between .008 and .012 or so. You could pull the diff cover and measure it if you're concerned. You could also take pictures of the ring gear and post what the tooth wear pattern looks like.

Here is an example of what the wear pattern should look like and what it can look like if there is a problem:

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In the absence of radial play or irregular wear on the ring and pinion, I'd say its almost certainly fine.
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That looks ok to me, but it's difficult to see if the wear pattern has changed. It might be worth it to paint up the teeth to see what the wear pattern is now. They make a special paint for it.

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It's tough to see in the flash but looking at it in good light it's not worth messing with. There are no abnormal wear patterns. I kinda doubt it's going to break.
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Bill in MN wrote: I kinda doubt it's going to break.
I agree.
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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is...
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ElGuappo wrote:If it ain't broke, fix it until it is...
:lol:
I do that way too often.
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tsmall07 wrote:Image
How do you move the pinion away or toward the gear?
How do you move the gear away or toward the pinion?
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demetk wrote: How do you move the pinion away or toward the gear?
How do you move the gear away or toward the pinion?
Shims.
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mooseheadm5 wrote:
demetk wrote: How do you move the pinion away or toward the gear?
How do you move the gear away or toward the pinion?
Shims.
Wow really?
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I'm really tired. I can't tell if you are serious or not.
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mooseheadm5 wrote:I'm really tired. I can't tell if you are serious or not.
Not serious. You need to get some rest Moose, but if you're like me maybe you won't.
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Ahh, OK. I've been crawling around inside of a Blackhawk for a couple of days after getting no sleep for a couple of months.
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demetk wrote:
mooseheadm5 wrote:I'm really tired. I can't tell if you are serious or not.
Not serious. You need to get some rest Moose, but if you're like me maybe you won't.
Why did you ask the question if you're not serious?
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Guys... he's been Demet for as long as I remember.
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tsmall07 wrote:
demetk wrote:
mooseheadm5 wrote:I'm really tired. I can't tell if you are serious or not.
Not serious. You need to get some rest Moose, but if you're like me maybe you won't.
Why did you ask the question if you're not serious?
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Well the serious answer is still shims.
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:confused:
mooseheadm5 wrote:Well the serious answer is still shims.
SRSLY
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