BMW heater valve repair.

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M5BB
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BMW heater valve repair.

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The current BMW water valve offered with this part number is DEFECTIVE as far as I know. Part # 64111373191 This same valve is used in almost all the E28's.
With the known problems with the aftermarket solenoids for the valves and their propensity to fail I decided to buy a whole new valve for the my show quality BMW M5.
I realize that many of you do not want to spend $300 on a water valve. I am aware of the E46 valve subsitute and this is a pretty good one but if you have a car you want to keep original then an original fit and finish valve is imperative.

The valve was in the $300 range in the fall of 2017. I installed the valve and at that time only drove the car around the block. It was up to temp but not that many miles.
About a week later our group, BMW Classics of Georgia did a Saturday drive on some back roads in the southern part of the mountains and then to a restaurant for late lunch.
We assembled in a parking lot and I was out of the car and noticed water running out from under my car.
The valve was visible leaking but not enough to prevent me from doing the drive. I had another car behind me in case of catastrophic failure.
I kept an eye on the water temp gauge and it was fine. It was also cool outside. Made it home that day with just adding a little water.

So I contacted parts guy and he ordered another valve but told me I would have to bring the car to the dealer and let them do the replacement. UGH, I said but was able to stay with the car and work with a mechanic that was probably about 60 and new what an S38 was. You have to remove the air box on the M5 to replace the water valve. Not difficult but just wanted someone to work on it that was familiar. Of course I was right there watching.
With valve replaced I drove the car 7 miles home and opened the hood to look.
Water running out of the valve just like the previous one.
So the dealer then tells me they won't replace the valve again. This is a quote of what the parts guy at the dealer told me.

"BMW will only warranty a part or accessory 1 time as a spare part warranty. When the second part failed BMW was not going to cover it".

So here's where I stepped in and tried a couple things.
I took the original valve body (plastic) that was in my car and installed the new solenoid. This actually worked for quite a few months. Thought it was over then later this summer it started leaking again.
I drove it that way for a few months with the radiator cap loose to first click. This kept the water in but didn't pressurize the system and force the water out.
Then in December I decided to remove the valve again and see if I could figure out why it was leaking.
I was able to see a potential problem with the seal of the solenoid and how it sits in the valve body.
Basically there is not enough squish of the gasket by the solenoid body to keep it from leaking.
I did some measuring and saw that I could easily remove some material from the top of the plastic valve body and increase the compression on the gasket.
That did the trick and has been working fine for about a month now. I don't drive this car every day but I have (weather permitting) made extra efforts to put some time on this repair.
When you look at the photos I think it will be pretty apparent what I did.
The bottom part of the valve body has another section to it. One of my valves would come apart there but the other one would not unless I broke it open.
Inside this portion is a check valve. It's simply a ball that rides in there and keeps the coolant from going backwards. Not sure how it could ever do this so I removed the check valve. BTW the photo of the valve I used the lower portion is NOT attached. Sorry I probably shouldn't have used that photo.
I removed about .007 from the top of the valve body allowing the seal at the bottom of the solenoid to push down more and not leak.
This is where the manufacturer for BMW did a poor job of measuring.
There is also a possibility that the lower section could leak. This happened on my first replacement so I sealed the bottom section with JB weld so it was sealed tight. It can take the heat where other sealants can not.
Post if you have questions as it seems so simple to me but may not to others.

Also if you have already experienced a faulty valve I would really like to know. I'm gathering data to submit a consumer complaint in my state and also to BMWNA.
BTW I called BMWNA and asked to speak to someone in the parts area for the US. They told me no such person exists and I would have to go to the dealer. It's not the dealers fault.
BMW needs to recall this part and have one made properly.
Sorry for image problems. There's another step to google hosting they don't tell you tell you look it up and then what you think is the URL doesn't work on here in the URL it has to be in the img. Geez!

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Mike W.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

Post by Mike W. »

Are you sure on the measurement you took off the valve body? .0007 inches? Given the crush on a rubber seal that's nothing. .007" isn't even much, seems like it might be more likely.
M5BB
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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You're right Mike, thanks for catching that. Yes, it was only 7 thousandths. Only enough to crush the rubber but not crease or puncture it.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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pics are broken.
Mike W.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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brickwhite wrote:pics are broken.
They work for me. :dunno:
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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The first works for me, the others don't.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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Work now ... Thanks!

here's a pic of my old one... looks like they changed the way they use the wave washer on the new one.

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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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Many of us have been experiencing defective heater valves from BMW. I've had to return two of them because they both leaked badly. You could actually blow into the inlet and feel air coming out the side of the valve body! Both of the ones I received were marked "Made in China".

Here are a couple of threads; scroll down a bit on each:

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... ater+valve

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... ater+valve

I really hope BMW gets this issue corrected soon; count me in if you want to pursue this with BMWNA.
M5BB
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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LarryM wrote:Many of us have been experiencing defective heater valves from BMW. I've had to return two of them because they both leaked badly. You could actually blow into the inlet and feel air coming out the side of the valve body! Both of the ones I received were marked "Made in China".

Here are a couple of threads; scroll down a bit on each:

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... ater+valve

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... ater+valve

I really hope BMW gets this issue corrected soon; count me in if you want to pursue this with BMWNA.
Would you be willing to send me an email with the details of what happened.
I need something that is legitimate to show to BMW.
m5 er @ comcast . net

Thanks,
Gary
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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M5BB wrote:
LarryM wrote:Many of us have been experiencing defective heater valves from BMW. I've had to return two of them because they both leaked badly. You could actually blow into the inlet and feel air coming out the side of the valve body! Both of the ones I received were marked "Made in China".

Here are a couple of threads; scroll down a bit on each:

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... ater+valve

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... ater+valve

I really hope BMW gets this issue corrected soon; count me in if you want to pursue this with BMWNA.
Would you be willing to send me an email with the details of what happened.
I need something that is legitimate to show to BMW.
m5 er @ comcast . net

Thanks,
Gary
I'll look up my correspondences and receipts related to this issue and forward them to you.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

Post by jhh925 »

Gary: I can do the same. My BMW-branded heater valve core replacement kit has failed. I'm now getting heat into the cabin at all times. I bought a BMW original part from Germany. I'll forward my email order confirmation / receipt to you this evening.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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You should start a class action lawsuit. Maybe bmw would take notice then.
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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The insert they sell worked fine. It's weird the entire valve assembly is broken out of the box. That is quite a neat feature.
M5BB
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Re: BMW defective water valve repair.

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People are still using this repair I posted 5 years ago and it works.
I guess that BMW never corrected the problems from this valve that was made by a supplier.

"with your info i was able to fix my heater valve. i opened it up and the top (larger) diaphragm seal was torn (this is a 1 year old OEM unit🙄) so i replaced it and shaved the top of the plastic flange down to make a tighter seal. it’s been working great with no leaks. thanks a ton 👍🏼


M5BB wrote: Jan 20, 2019 7:30 PM The current BMW water valve offered with this part number is DEFECTIVE as far as I know. Part # 64111373191 This same valve is used in almost all the E28's.
With the known problems with the aftermarket solenoids for the valves and their propensity to fail I decided to buy a whole new valve for the my show quality BMW M5.
I realize that many of you do not want to spend $300 on a water valve. I am aware of the E46 valve subsitute and this is a pretty good one but if you have a car you want to keep original then an original fit and finish valve is imperative.

The valve was in the $300 range in the fall of 2017. I installed the valve and at that time only drove the car around the block. It was up to temp but not that many miles.
About a week later out group, BMW Classics of Georgia did a Saturday drive on some back roads in the southern part of the mountains and then to a restaurant for late lunch.
We assembled in a parking lot and I was out of the car and noticed water running out from under my car.
The valve was visible leaking but not enough to prevent me from doing the drive. I had another car behind me in case of catastrophic failure.
I kept an eye on the water temp gauge and it was fine. It was also cool outside. Made it home that day with just adding a little water.

So I contacted parts guy and he ordered another valve but told me I would have to bring the car to the dealer and let them do the replacement. UGH, I said but was able to stay with the car and work with a mechanic that was probably about 60 and new what an S38 was. You have to remove the air box on the M5 to replace the water valve. Not difficult but just wanted someone to work on it that was familiar. Of course I was right there watching.
With valve replaced I drove the car 7 miles home and opened the hood to look.
Water running out of the valve just like the previous one.
So the dealer then tells me they won't replace the valve again. This is a quote of what the parts guy at the dealer told me.

"BMW will only warranty a part or accessory 1 time as a spare part warranty. When the second part failed BMW was not going to cover it".

So here's where I stepped in and tried a couple things.
I took the original valve body (plastic) that was in my car and installed the new solenoid. This actually worked for quite a few months. Thought it was over then later this summer it started leaking again.
I drove it that way for a few months with the radiator cap loose to first click. This kept the water in but didn't pressurize the system and force the water out.
Then in December I decided to remove the valve again and see if I could figure out why it was leaking.
I was able to see a potential problem with the seal of the solenoid and how it sits in the valve body.
Basically there is not enough squish of the gasket by the solenoid body to keep it from leaking.
I did some measuring and saw that I could easily remove some material from the top of the plastic valve body and increase the compression on the gasket.
That did the trick and has been working fine for about a month now. I don't drive this car every day but I have (weather permitting) made extra efforts to put some time on this repair.
When you look at the photos I think it will be pretty apparent what I did.
The bottom part of the valve body has another section to it. One of my valves would come apart there but the other one would not unless I broke it open.
Inside this portion is a check valve. It's simply a ball that rides in there and keeps the coolant from going backwards. Not sure how it could ever do this so I removed the check valve. BTW the photo of the valve I used the lower portion is NOT attached. Sorry I probably shouldn't have used that photo.
I removed about .007 from the top of the valve body allowing the seal at the bottom of the solenoid to push down more and not leak.
This is where the manufacturer for BMW did a poor job of measuring.
There is also a possibility that the lower section could leak. This happened on my first replacement so I sealed the bottom section with JB weld so it was sealed tight. It can take the heat where other sealants can not.
Post if you have questions as it seems so simple to me but may not to others.

Also if you have already experienced a faulty valve I would really like to know. I'm gathering data to submit a consumer complaint in my state and also to BMWNA.
BTW I called BMWNA and asked to speak to someone in the parts area for the US. They told me no such person exists and I would have to go to the dealer. It's not the dealers fault.
BMW needs to recall this part and have one made properly.
Sorry for image problems. There's another step to google hosting they don't tell you tell you look it up and then what you think is the URL doesn't work on here in the URL it has to be in the img. Geez!

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