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Is it out of the question these days?

New? More than likely not possible these days. The only CARB certified turbo system that I know of was the Dinan system. If you could find one used you could probably use that.

However I will admit I don't know how the CARB system works, so I don't know what you'd need for paperwork to prove that the used system was indeed CARD approved. You'd need to look into that carefully. Your best source of information would likely be Russ, he was the last one to have an M30 turbo roll out of the Dinan garage.

Jeremy

I looked into this posiblility recently.

Although I did not get a definitive answer, it seemed as like it would possible to take a currntly CA registered 745i (or any other registered M30 turbo vehicle) and use that engine as a transplant. You would then go to a referee station and have them transfer the BAR sticker. This looked like it would work because the engine could be transplanted with all the original smog equipment with little or no modification.

you could figure out a "not so difficult" way of popping the turbo+manifold(+changing air intake) once every 2 years when you need to get it smogged.

I looked in to this a few months ago when I was considering a turbo for my M5. There are a few options:

1. The manufacturer of the turbo system needs to submit one vehicle to an independent laboratory to certify that the turbo does not increase emissions. (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/topforms.htm) Emissions should be no problem for a turbocharger or supercharger, but it does mean the the turbo kit manufacturer also needs to supply an engine management system with the kit. You also also have to pass the SMOG II every two years with the turbo.

2. Get a 524td and do whatever you want to it since there is currently no testing or inspection (once the vehicle is in the state).

3. If you transplant an approved engine (like the 745i) into your E28 it needs to come from a newer vehicle.

Devinder

P.S. I am a "qualified independent laboratory" as required by CARB -- just in case a manufacturer would like their system tested. Say, a turbo kit for an M5.

[QUOTE="GTA"]I looked into this posiblility recently.

Although I did not get a definitive answer, it seemed as like it would possible to take a currntly CA registered 745i (or any other registered M30 turbo vehicle) and use that engine as a transplant. You would then go to a referee station and have them transfer the BAR sticker. This looked like it would work because the engine could be transplanted with all the original smog equipment with little or no modification. [/QUOTE]

The only way to be legal in CA is a Dinan system, and/or get your hands on the CARB sticker that Dinan uses The only CARB certifired cars are in the E28 of '85-'88. If your E28 is a '82-'84, sorry

Strictly you can use the 745i engine, as it was not a certified US car, there grey market. But, people do get away with the swap as the DMV seems not to check on these that carefully.

RussC

[QUOTE="russc"]Strictly you can use the 745i engine, as it was not a certified US car, there grey market.[/QUOTE]
I believe you meant to say:

Strictly you can't use the 745i engine, as it was not a certified US car, they're grey market. (the grammar does change the meaning)

[QUOTE="russc"]Strictly you can use the 745i engine, as it was not a certified US car, there grey market.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Shawn D."]I believe you meant to say:

Strictly you can't use the 745i engine, as it was not a certified US car, they're grey market. (the grammar does change the meaning)[/QUOTE]

Right, thanks for the correction, I missed that.

RussC

Guys,

CARB certification is a verrrrrry expensive proposition on it's own for a company. Think $10-$20k which doesn't include costs of R&D, tuning, parts, castings, drawings or other costs.

We've been doing CARB certified superchargers for the import scene for awhile now and have a good relationship with CARB and our suppliers. But consider this, the full cost of a supercharger system for a new application, re:car, which includes CARB cert, in most cases will require selling 50 or so kits just to BREAK EVEN.

And as cars continue to become more technological every year, getting a CARB sticker let alone a tuned forced induction kit, becomes harder and harder.

I don't know of any current aftermarket turbo systems that are CARB certified. I'm sure they're out there, but I'd guess they are based on American muscle.

Most companies will not go to the expense of getting a CARB sticker as the sticker alone can be $10-$20k. It's easier to sell your kit as an 'off road use only' setup. On the other hand, any company that goes through with getting the CARB cert has all but hit gold. The CARB sticker is one of if not the toughest emissions mandate to get and makes the kit fully legal.

erik & bryan, check your pm's

I must be missing something, I didn't see anything in my email....

Oh, and by the way, the first search is over..... Hoo Ha

Now, for the wife.

[QUOTE="Bryan in SB"]I must be missing something, I didn't see anything in my email...[/QUOTE]
I don't think he means "email" -- did you check your messages here, as in the "My Private Messages" link at the bottom right side of the page?

Thanks Shawn, I knew it wasn't an email, but didn't exactly know where it had gone.

As you've mentioned the probable destination before Raj has gotten back to me, I'll take a look.