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Posted: Feb 20, 2006 1:17 AM
by Skeen
Well, I did a little soldering in the dorm today (shhh...) and finished up the ECU. Everything is working except my fast-idle according to the LED on the stimulator board, but that shouldn't take too long to track down. The post office says my 60-2 wheel and crank sensor is waiting for me to pick up tomorrow. Hopefully I can make a run to a Pull-A-Part this week to grab a few things and I'll be on my way. Might have a brain transplant next weekend if all goes well.
Posted: Feb 20, 2006 1:57 AM
by russc
By fast idle you mean the ICV control lines, right. In this case the PWM line to the ICV. By schem I think the three line ICV is modded by not having the 2 PWM lines. One is used and the other end of the ICV is tied to GND through a power resister. ICV center it obviously +12V.
Theres alot of discussion on how well this works not having the 2 line interface. I hope it works OK.
RussC
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Posted: Feb 20, 2006 11:16 AM
by altus22
What are you planning on using for ignition? Wasted spark? Single coil? Waiting for the router board to do COP?
Posted: Feb 20, 2006 12:19 PM
by Skeen
Planning on wasted spark.
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 3:13 PM
by russc
Hey Skeen,
I though MSII dosen't support a 60-2 wheel yet? Can verify or planning a fuel only rig to start?
RussC
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 4:46 PM
by Skeen
I will be running fuel and ignition. I'm told the 60-2 will work fine. I'll let you know how it goes.
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 4:57 PM
by russc
[QUOTE="Skeen"]I will be running fuel and ignition. I'm told the 60-2 will work fine. I'll let you know how it goes.[/QUOTE]
Who told you that?
RussC
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 5:04 PM
by Skeen
Peter Florence among others.
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Posted: Feb 21, 2006 7:36 PM
by russc
Are you sure about 60-2, theres two guys at BF saying it doesn't right now?????
Oh, OK, I just say your last post, I hope so. Did Peter say he has it runing on his car?
RussC
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Posted: Feb 21, 2006 7:48 PM
by Skeen
Peter is running VR off the old-style distributor, but he suggested it would be better to get the M30B35 equipment than to figure out the speed and reference sensor stuff. We'll find out soon enough. A few other guys here at school that know quite a bit about MS have been saying it should work. I guess I'll find out.
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 7:58 PM
by russc
I'll be doing the rpm/referenct sensor stuff(if all goes well) in the next 2 weeks. I will have the circuit ready on schematic a week or so after that. Peter, yourself or anyone else that is ready to try it can. I wont be using it myself for a while, as I won't install the MS for Id guess 2 months. But Im 95% sure we can make the existing sensors work, its just a matter if the MS software can support it. The electronics are trivial.
RussC
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 9:00 PM
by Skeen
I don't doubt that it can be done. Peter said he's been working on for a little while, but I don't think he's spending a lot of time on it. If I can't get the 60-2 working for some reason, I might give your work a try. I'm sure others will be very interested in trying it too. I suspect Bill in MN would be.
Posted: Feb 22, 2006 4:24 AM
by russc
Umm, at the least, you can wire in on the proto type area a divide by 2 on the output of the crank 60-2 trigger circuit. This would divide down the 60-2 to 30-1. Im pretty sure the MSII supports that.
RussC
Posted: Feb 22, 2006 7:46 AM
by Shawn D.
russc wrote:Umm, at the least, you can wire in on the proto type area a divide by 2 on the output of the crank 60-2 trigger circuit. This would divide down the 60-2 to 30-1. Im pretty sure the MSII supports that.
Are you talking about an IC that divides by two? What IC is that? If not, what is specifically entailed with "
wire in on the proto type area a divide by 2 on the output of the crank 60-2 trigger circuit"?
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Posted: Feb 22, 2006 1:24 PM
by altus22
A flip flop IC is commonly used as a divider. The first pulse turns it on, the second turns it off, etc. I would suggest putting it through an op amp to bring it up to CMOS level and then through a bounceless buffer to make it a square wave and then through the flip flop.
Posted: Feb 22, 2006 3:00 PM
by russc
[QUOTE="altus22"]A flip flop IC is commonly used as a divider. The first pulse turns it on, the second turns it off, etc. I would suggest putting it through an op amp to bring it up to CMOS level and then through a bounceless buffer to make it a square wave and then through the flip flop.[/QUOTE]
W/O looking at the MS circuit, I don't think you need a buffer for the d-flop. You would take the 60-2 signal after the signal conditioner thats already there. It should be in the proper IC family so just a flop is needed.
Ill have to look at the MS circuit again to verify that.
RussC
Posted: Feb 22, 2006 11:47 PM
by bahnstormer
i'll be doing MS on mine but not MS2
i'll be doing MegaSquirt 'n Spark -E
All ignition options require some mechanical or electrical work
Ignition control options:
. No ignition (fuel only)
. Distributor for even-fire 2 stroke 1,2,3,4 cyl and
even-fire 4 stroke 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,12,16 cyl
. Ford EDIS
. Dual Ford EDIS (e.g. 2 EDIS4 modules on a V8) TEST
. Dodge Neon crank decoder
. Ford TFI
. GM 7 pin HEI
. Toothed wheel decoder
. Dual wheel decoder/2nd trigger
. GM DIS
. Buick C3I
. Oddfire wheel decoder ALPHA TEST
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 12:08 AM
by russc
Right, the MSnS&E will support the either the 60-2 or the dual input for the existing sensors.
RussC
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 9:49 AM
by papajetta
dont mean to hijack the thread, but is there anyone out there that is willing to give up working m30 base settings ( msq files )?
example: ve tables, constants, afr table....
or at least somewhere to begin. it'll help everyone save many hours , and possibly a couple of set of plugs
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 2:12 PM
by russc
the only ones who can do that for you right now are TCD for fuel or PeterF at First Fives.
RussC
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 6:49 PM
by altus22
[QUOTE="papajetta"]dont mean to hijack the thread, but is there anyone out there that is willing to give up working m30 base settings ( msq files )?
example: ve tables, constants, afr table....
or at least somewhere to begin. it'll help everyone save many hours , and possibly a couple of set of plugs[/QUOTE]
I can send you my msq and VE maps also, although I have a lowly 3 liter at the moment.
Posted: Mar 01, 2006 10:46 AM
by bahnstormer
have u checked the MS forums?
i think there's a few ppl on there that
can send u a base map to at least get 'er started...
altho dont quote me on that please =]
Posted: Mar 01, 2006 1:46 PM
by russc
[QUOTE="bahnstormer"]have u checked the MS forums?
i think there's a few ppl on there that
can send u a base map to at least get 'er started...
altho dont quote me on that please =] [/QUOTE]
While there are lots of ppl there, none have done a M30 except for PeterF, Todd and Altus. If you can get them to send you a base map, Mmmmm. You might have better luck using $ to get a base map from them.
I searched the entire MS forum for all BMW content, and the only M30 there was PeterF car.
RussC