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1) Sororities
2) Reason #1 mixed with a pool full of pudding
3) Lots of beer
4) My apartment complex
5) Reason #4 mixed with a bar and cards and airhockey

I'm going to tease all of you until the pictures are hosted somewhere decent :p :p

Alex (Al525i) was there hehehe

Ok I'm not going to be totally mean --
Here's a teaser






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Nice. certainly lots of eye candy in college.

What bugs me about sororitutes is that someday they'll be somebodies wife. That means some guy is going to be married to someone that was a discretionless slut when she was in college.

A Shame.

Not a slut, a free willing woman. Gotta be PC in college.

Sorority houses are illegal in Canada. The law considers them to be whore houses, or brothels.

Al

As a frat guy (alumnus), graduate of an 80% Greek university, brother to two sorority women, and good friend to tens of sorority alumnae, I find your comment offensive. Being in a sorority, drinking, even booty dancing at parties doesn't make one a slut. Some people can have a risque good time and not follow it up with sleeping around.

Get a grip.

-tammer <--attending two sorority "slut" weddings this summer, neither woman has anything to be ashamed of, and both husbands-to-be are lucky men.

[QUOTE="Matt"]Nice. certainly lots of eye candy in college.

What bugs me about sororitutes is that someday they'll be somebodies wife. That means some guy is going to be married to someone that was a discretionless slut when she was in college.

A Shame.[/QUOTE]

Hmm... ignorant statements by GDIs are to be expected.

Another shot - Not of the pudding wrestling... i got like 30 of those :p This is my bar at full throttle

And the statement about sororities could be found offensive but um... these girls really are very slutty... like... really....
heck later that night, one of em was buck ass nekkid screaming for one guy to come up to her...

IMO, Sororities and Fraternities are worthless. You go to college to learn, not party. Partying days were during the High School years.

I remember walking through campus on Rush Week and avoiding the Frats. While I was on my way to study, most of them would be lounging around grilling burgers and drinking Pepsi's. Sorry, but when I'm paying for college out of my own pocket, I want to actually learn something, not socialize.

The only "club" I was a part of in College was IEEE. It was a great organization and I learned quite a bit by being a member. I don't think you could say the same for a Fraternity.

Besides, how can you study with dozens of drunks yelling and screaming on the weekends?

[QUOTE="RobbieR"]IMO, Sororities and Fraternities are worthless. You go to college to learn, not party. Partying days were during the High School years.

I remember walking through campus on Rush Week and avoiding the Frats. While I was on my way to study, most of them would be lounging around grilling burgers and drinking Pepsi's. Sorry, but when I'm paying for college out of my own pocket, I want to actually learn something, not socialize.

The only "club" I was a part of in College was IEEE. It was a great organization and I learned quite a bit by being a member. I don't think you could say the same for a Fraternity.

Besides, how can you study with dozens of drunks yelling and screaming on the weekends? [/QUOTE]

Dude, I was a GDI and generally disliked the Fart/Soruty scene but you comments are off the deep end. College is as much about learning to socialize as it is about academics. I am sure that you are aware that success in business and most other professions is heavily dependent upon your social skills.

Todd

Be offended then. i stand by my statements, which, by the way seem to have been confirmed by the original poster.

On the balance i cant decide if the Greek system is awful because it promotes so much incredibly poor behavior and general lack of responsibility, or if its a good thing because the members seem to get it mostly out of their system in only 5 or 6 years and then become the irrelevant cogs that the machines of society rely upon.

What's your opinion ?

Incidentally - people can learn to socalize plenty well without drinking themselves piss drunk or waking up wondering where the f@#k they are and who the revolting guy next to them is.

Wake up - these are your (future) daughters. Have you ever watched the "walk of shame" on a sunday morning? Have you ever hung out with girls that cry themselves silly wondering how they got into the situation where a guy is trying to nail their passed out body without even bothering to wipe the vomit off of her face first? (and then the girl invariably drinks just as hard the _very next weekend_)

I'd argue that Frat's dont teach you to socialize. I mean, you're paying (whatever it costs) to get stuck with a default group of friends. How is that teaching you to socialize? Do you pay to live with drinking buddies in real life ? Are baccanalian greek fests the model for future societal interaction that the greek system is providing ? (might explain a few things....

Well - Not all sororities are sluts, not by any means. There are PLENTY of sororities up here in boone that have very very respectful women in them. I have some very good friends who are in Sigma Kappa and they are the least things from sluts -- they're freaking beautiful as hell -- but they're not slutty at all.
On that note, I know PLENTY of frat guys up here in boone that aren't dickholes and aren't out to screw everything with a hole.
But up here in Boone, whether you're in a frat or not, alcohol is one of the greatest past times since there's very little to do in the evenings and on the weekends.
Matt I agree with what you say to a point, I think your idea of frats and whatnot are blown out of the water a little too much - but then again, there are extremes to everything - there are some very reserved sororities/fraturnities, and then there are some freaking insane ones. But try not to stereotype every frat and sorority as the extremely insane ones, cause that's not true.

[QUOTE="RobbieR"]IMO, Sororities and Fraternities are worthless. You go to college to learn, not party. Partying days were during the High School years.

I remember walking through campus on Rush Week and avoiding the Frats. While I was on my way to study, most of them would be lounging around grilling burgers and drinking Pepsi's. Sorry, but when I'm paying for college out of my own pocket, I want to actually learn something, not socialize.

The only "club" I was a part of in College was IEEE. It was a great organization and I learned quite a bit by being a member. I don't think you could say the same for a Fraternity.

Besides, how can you study with dozens of drunks yelling and screaming on the weekends? [/QUOTE]
Fraternities and Sororities have higher retention rates (i.e. fewer dropouts) and higher GPAs than the general student population, and at many schools they are REQUIRED to have higher GPAs or be sanctioned.

As for you paying for college out of your own pocket, that's admirable and takes a lot of work. Probably 1/3 of my fraternity brothers had to do the same thing. Next time you see someone relaxing, don't assume that they aren't there to learn and that they're on an easy ride.

[QUOTE="Matt"]Be offended then. i stand by my statements, which, by the way seem to have been confirmed by the original poster.

On the balance i cant decide if the Greek system is awful because it promotes so much incredibly poor behavior and general lack of responsibility, or if its a good thing because the members seem to get it mostly out of their system in only 5 or 6 years and then become the irrelevant cogs that the machines of society rely upon.

What's your opinion?[/QUOTE]
My opinion is that you're conveniently ignoring the facts that GDIs have just as many alcohol problems and have a higher dropout rate, but scapegoating individuals who fail isn't nearly as sensational as attacking the "obvious" culprits the Greeks are made out to be.

My "irrelevant cog" friends and I have served in the military, own and work in successful engineering and financial businesses (for example, if you drink Tropicana, your juice was packaged by a frat brother's company), and are upstanding citizens. We had plenty of fun in college and still have fun tailgating to this day.

My opinion is that in general, people will behave as they wish and a sorority slut would be an independent slut if the sorority weren't there. Not that "group think" doesn't exist, or all Greek establishments are excellent ones, mind you--but Greek systems vary hugely campus-to-campus and the type of people they attract varies as well. Making broad statements about sorority girls is the same as making broad statements about, say, members of a religion. Nothing holds for everyone. So TJ chooses to hang out with sluts. At a private school where most students are in the Greek system, you get all kinds of people, not just the stereotypical "frat guys" and "whorority girls". At my school, which was a small private liberal arts institution, everyone took their grades seriously. My fraternity threw great parties, was one of the largest on campus, hosted the one dance that every girl hoped to be asked to once in their four years, and also had the highest group GPA on campus--independents included. Also, of the 90-ish members, about 60 were involved in varsity athletics, and nearly every one was involved in community service in some way. All of this was encouraged by the frat, and in my experience at least, most of the peer pressure was positive.

There are problems with Greek systems, but you find many of the same problems (hazing) with sports teams, and independent students get taken to the hospital after alcohol binges as well, so it's not like the Greek system is the cause of the problem. It's the relatively few ignorant individuals within them giving the system as a whole a bad name.

And ya know what else? I really enjoyed lounging on the porch, grilling a burger and drinking a beer--after getting up at 6, running 5 miles, going to class from 8-3, running 9 miles at practice (4-6:30), and grabbing dinner. Then after my burger/beer on the porch, I'd head up to the library and do some studying. A lot of people give the outward appearance of being relaxed when they have their shit together.

So, think what you want, I couldn't care less. But just realize that you're wrong. And I fail to see how a Greek societal cog is any less relevant than a GDI one.

-tammer

[QUOTE="Matt"]Be offended then. i stand by my statements, which, by the way seem to have been confirmed by the original poster.

On the balance i cant decide if the Greek system is awful because it promotes so much incredibly poor behavior and general lack of responsibility, or if its a good thing because the members seem to get it mostly out of their system in only 5 or 6 years and then become the irrelevant cogs that the machines of society rely upon.

What's your opinion ?[/QUOTE]

Congrats on putting yourself through school. I had it pretty tough too, if I didn't maintain a 3.2 GPA I would lose my full ride (tuition/room/board), which was based on academic merit and community service in high school, and required continued involvement in CS through college as well.

Most of the people in my house--and on my campus--had a merit scholarship (D3, no athletic scholarships allowed) and/or financial aid, and all the scholarships carried minimum performance standards to keep the money.

Further, involvement in my fraternity didn't pull any strings to get me into Teach for America, nor did it get me into my current graduate program ... I did those based on my accomplishments and not the good-ol-boy system (unlike some politicians). And while we're on the topic of politicians ... I'm neither fond nor proud of the current pres, but to the best of my knowledge there has NEVER been a Pres of the United States who wasn't Greek. (And no, unlike our Pres I never did cocaine .... %) )

As for studying around the drunks, that's what the library is for.

-tammer <--still fails to see how Fraternity involvement makes on irrelevant.

[QUOTE="RobbieR"] Sorry, but when I'm paying for college out of my own pocket, I want to actually learn something, not socialize.

Besides, how can you study with dozens of drunks yelling and screaming on the weekends? [/QUOTE]

I used to have a real axe to grind against the whole Greek system. Mostly before I went to college. Once in college I met a lot of great people both in and out of the Greek system and some complete loser jerks both in and out of the Greek system. I remember a gorgeous sorority girl who was my organic chemistry lab partner. Can't think of her name, but my inner geek still remembers how good she looked wearing safety goggles or staring into a microscope.

There seemed to be fraternities and sororities that tried to mold and drive individuality out of their members. And then there were those that didn't. I had friends in fraternities who got in with the wrong frat crowd, dropped out, and are still can't get themselves together. Same thing happened to friends who weren't in fraternities.

I've found that generalizations about individuals in groups are pretty useless. Except those dang right winger wingnuts. They're all a bunch of freaks. :p

Rich in WI

Well, as far as the "irrelevant" comment, by that point i had mostly worked myself up into an anti-greek rant (as people were starting to try to defend the greek system. i don't really have any justification for that

My feelings on the greek system still stand - but i see what you're all saying (there are good and bad in any subset of the populace) and of course you're right.

The real point i was trying to make early on (and that nobody seems to be talking about) is that i think it's awful what a lot of girls in college (and it _seems_ especially in the greek system) do to themselves.

Yeah, every guy is a fan of easy action and all that, but what about 10 years from now when its somebody's wife, daughter, etc ?

[QUOTE="Shawn D."]As for you paying for college out of your own pocket, that's admirable and takes a lot of work. Probably 1/3 of my fraternity brothers had to do the same thing. Next time you see someone relaxing, don't assume that they aren't there to learn and that they're on an easy ride.[/quote]

[QUOTE="Tammer in Philly"]Congrats on putting yourself through school. I had it pretty tough too, if I didn't maintain a 3.2 GPA I would lose my full ride (tuition/room/board), which was based on academic merit and community service in high school, and required continued involvement in CS through college as well. [/QUOTE]

Thanks ya'll. It was tough, but I was surpised at how many people actually do it.

If I was to do it all over again, I would. Why? Because of the valuable Electrical Engineering work experience I gained while attending college. I knew that I wouldn't be "green" by the time I graduated. It was tough watching my fellow classmates try to find work when they had little to no work experience.

Ya'll are correct about certain Fraternities that require high GPA's to be maintained. They also have excellent networking for employment opportunities.

But when it boils down to your money, time, learning environment and work experience, I view Fraternities in a different light. And many of my classmates did as well.

That takes me back to my High School days, thank god you only have to 18 to drink here, 3 years of being legal

I love my wife lol

So TJ.. where are the pics of the naked chick?

Matt wrote:Well, as far as the "irrelevant" comment, by that point i had mostly worked myself up into an anti-greek rant (as people were starting to try to defend the greek system. i don't really have any justification for that

Forgiven. (Whew! I can be relevant again! And I very much respect that you can acknowledge a rash statement, thank you.

My feelings on the greek system still stand - but i see what you're all saying (there are good and bad in any subset of the populace) and of course you're right.

All Generalizations Are False. (Don't you love logical fallacies?)

The real point i was trying to make early on (and that nobody seems to be talking about) is that i think it's awful what a lot of girls in college (and it _seems_ especially in the greek system) do to themselves.

Granted. That's why parenting from an early age is so important--people make mistakes, but people with a strong upbringing make fewer, drunk or sober. And I will agree with you 100% if you say that sororities often put a lot of pressure on girls to "look right", with the resulting eating disorders/self-esteem issues. That's a society-wide issue to contend with as well.

Yeah, every guy is a fan of easy action and all that, but what about 10 years from now when its somebody's wife, daughter, etc ?

You'd be surprised at how much the girls enjoy sex too. But seriously, not every girl doing the "walk of shame" just had casual sex; I know I had many, ahh, encounters with women that didn't progress to that level. Your point is taken, but assuming the sex is consensual, the girl is making her decision. If it's NOT consensual, that is a MAJOR problem and one that needs to be dealt with on all campuses and among every subset of the student population!

If I had a college-age daughter (I'm only 24), I'd rather she drink with her friends at a well-advertised frat party than at some off-campus apartment where no one knows where she is or what's going on. Lots more eyes at the frat, and 99% of them will be watching out for their guests/friends.

-tammer

Lots more eyes at the frat, and 99% of them will be watching out for their guests/friends.

-tammer

Yes but 100% of them will be too drunk to remember jack shit..

Was a member of a frat at Auburn a bunch of years ago...last year the GPA was over 3.0 for the entire fraternity, they won the Allsports trophy over all groups(has been 1st or 2nd the past 13 years in a row), had the high GPA (of course)(ranked 1st or 2nd since inception in 1971) and numerous other awards as well as the award given to the top 5 fraternities NATION wide....good thing I'm not trying to get in next fall.... BTW....dry fraternity..... always has been, not saying that many didn't partake,,,it just didn't happen at our house or at our functons...

Can we get back to the most important part of this thread, pleeeeeeeeeease???

Where's the nekkid puddin' wrestlin'??????



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So TJ chooses to hang out with sluts.

Actually no, I'm very reserved with my wimmens. Those sorority girls are just my neighbors. The girls I hang out with are very respectful.

Damn ya'll want a bunch of nudie pics. Sorry to say, no nudie pics Awwww. Still no hosting for the pics - I'll get em later.


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