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TCD K27/Garrett-60 is ready Group Buy $775! Pictures up.
Posted: May 04, 2007 4:57 PM
by T_C_D
First one shipped to me today. Sorry no pics until middle of next week.
Price is going to be
$899. Price includes a complete rebuild and new Garret 60 trim wheel. Many mods to the k27 were necessary to make this happen but our turbo house was able to accomplish it. We'll need your core as well.
We'll always have one in stock so we'll be able to send you a new one first and accept yours after installation of the new one.
I know several guys were interested so please let me know if you want to purchase this one. I intend to stock 1 at a time.
Thanks,
Todd
Posted: May 04, 2007 5:22 PM
by RDAvena
Todd by core do you mean the center section or the entire K27? Need to know if I need to disable the 545is for any length of time.
Plus have you tried it out on your 745i yet? Or going by your experience with Garrett turbos you have more or less an eyeballed guess as to performance. Thanks for any info.
Posted: May 04, 2007 5:27 PM
by T_C_D
RDAvena wrote:Todd by core do you mean the center section or the entire K27? Need to know if I need to disable the 545is for any length of time.
Plus have you tried it out on your 745i yet? Or going by your experience with Garrett turbos you have more or less an eyeballed guess as to performance. Thanks for any info.
I'll need the entire k27. I'll send you the new turbo first and you can send me the core afterwards.
The 60 trim wheel is what we use on all the m30 motors and now the m50. It's a great wheel. I know what it does so I am not going to install one on the 745i in the short term.
Todd
Posted: May 06, 2007 12:04 PM
by T_C_D
What happened to the 5 or 6 guys that wanted one as soon as it was ready?
Posted: May 06, 2007 2:27 PM
by Kyle in NO
Isn't that what usually happens?
Posted: May 06, 2007 2:35 PM
by T_C_D
Kyle in NO wrote:Isn't that what usually happens?
Not always, but I would hope that I could sell 1.
Todd
Posted: May 06, 2007 4:57 PM
by Duke
Put the one on your E23, make big numbers and then you will have all the business you can get. No one wants to be the first.
Posted: May 06, 2007 5:07 PM
by T_C_D
Duke M535ti wrote:Put the one on your E23, make big numbers and then you will have all the business you can get. No one wants to be the first.
No need for testing. It's the compressor used on almost all of our m30 cars. I have 40k miles on that wheel all by my myself!
Posted: May 06, 2007 5:38 PM
by Duke
T_C_D wrote:Duke M535ti wrote:Put the one on your E23, make big numbers and then you will have all the business you can get. No one wants to be the first.
No need for testing. It's the compressor used on almost all of our m30 cars. I have 40k miles on that wheel all by my myself!
Yea, but you know how people are. They want to the see the numbers that the M106 engine will produce with the M106 manifold and your modified waste gate.
Posted: May 06, 2007 5:51 PM
by Jimmie G
Todd I dont think I said I would take one as soon as it was ready but I am building a m106 and waiting to get it back from the machine shop going out to 94mm so I am not quite ready yet.
I was hopeing for a little less on the price but it makes since to overhaul all of them with the upgrade and when you do the math the price is in line.
One question I have is what mm size is the inducer along with it being 60 trim and do they machine the housing maybe you can elaborate on the extent of the upgrade for eveyone here and it may save some time on the phone later I know your time is valuble when at the shop!
Jimmie
Posted: May 06, 2007 10:40 PM
by clevertd
Try Cereal Killa (Kevin?) from bf.c? I know he said he ordered a wastegate from you.
Posted: May 07, 2007 11:51 AM
by RDAvena
Duke M535ti wrote:T_C_D wrote:Duke M535ti wrote:Put the one on your E23, make big numbers and then you will have all the business you can get. No one wants to be the first.
No need for testing. It's the compressor used on almost all of our m30 cars. I have 40k miles on that wheel all by my myself!
Yea, but you know how people are. They want to the see the numbers that the M106 engine will produce with the M106 manifold and your modified waste gate.
I for one did not "need" numbers. I just asked if he tried it out because someone will eventually. Todd stated his experience of using this 60 turbo with all of the other kits he has produced so without the benefit of the TCD manifold the numbers should be lower/comparable than a full blown TCD system.
Where my enthusiasm was piqued was when I asked for the possibility of a group buy. The possibility of lining up several dedicated buyers in the hopes of the collective buying power of a group resulting in a decent discount on the modified turbo.
As it seems all the enthusiasm went away when the hard numbers (price) were posted. This does not dissuade me from buying one, but then any savings disappeared as fast as the collective enthusiasm did.
Posted: May 07, 2007 12:25 PM
by T_C_D
RDAvena wrote:
I for one did not "need" numbers. I just asked if he tried it out because someone will eventually. Todd stated his experience of using this 60 turbo with all of the other kits he has produced so without the benefit of the TCD manifold the numbers should be lower/comparable than a full blown TCD system.
Where my enthusiasm was piqued was when I asked for the possibility of a group buy. The possibility of lining up several dedicated buyers in the hopes of the collective buying power of a group resulting in a decent discount on the modified turbo.
As it seems all the enthusiasm went away when the hard numbers (price) were posted. This does not dissuade me from buying one, but then any savings disappeared as fast as the collective enthusiasm did.
Ray,
I'll hook you up with a group buy price. Shoot me an email.
Todd
Posted: May 07, 2007 12:36 PM
by RDAvena
Sweet, on the way!
Posted: May 07, 2007 3:45 PM
by wickahead
T_C_D wrote:What happened to the 5 or 6 guys that wanted one as soon as it was ready?
Sorry Todd, I was out this weekend on Husband duty
I will contact you shortly about this.
--Mark
Posted: May 08, 2007 8:13 PM
by T_C_D
Bump for group buy price.
Posted: May 08, 2007 9:09 PM
by RDAvena
left a message
Posted: May 08, 2007 9:12 PM
by T_C_D
RDAvena wrote:left a message
Got it. Will call you tomorrow. Was busy playing lawyer today.
Todd
Posted: May 09, 2007 3:37 PM
by RDAvena
Damn, that is a big wheel.
Now I can tell my son I have a "big wheel" too
Posted: May 09, 2007 3:49 PM
by skip535i
Allow me...
I think its funny that every time anyone posts any kind of power claims, upgrade claims, hp #s or the like...Todd is the first one to get on their thread and tell them their numbers are unrealistic and they need to hit the dyno or get a new AFM.
Now all the sudden he expects his 745 buyers to just trust that this product is outting down "x" amount of power etc... All without ever installing it or dyno'ing it.
C'mon Todd...do as you say.
I think $775-$899 is a lot to pay for a product that the seller hasn't even tested.
Posted: May 09, 2007 4:36 PM
by T_C_D
skip535i wrote:Allow me...
I think its funny that every time anyone posts any kind of power claims, upgrade claims, hp #s or the like...Todd is the first one to get on their thread and tell them their numbers are unrealistic and they need to hit the dyno or get a new AFM.
Now all the sudden he expects his 745 buyers to just trust that this product is outting down "x" amount of power etc... All without ever installing it or dyno'ing it.
C'mon Todd...do as you say.
I think $775-$899 is a lot to pay for a product that the seller hasn't even tested.
Skip,
Glad I could make you laugh. Here is a 60 trim compressor map. Look up "how to read turbo compressor maps" if you do not know what you are looking at.
Posted: May 09, 2007 4:58 PM
by skip535i
T_C_D wrote:I personally used this compressor wheel on my red 535is that went 12.09 @ 120mph. I personally have 40k miles on that compressor wheel..
Great...
Now THAT is factual info.
T_C_D wrote:Not sure what test information you are interested in but we'll soon have feedback from customer's who understand the product being offered and have already chosen to buy it.
Understood. I just meant that it would be consistent with your attitude to do this yourself.
You are all about proof and #s and dynos and such. All I was saying is that it would be appropriate for YOU to be the first tester. If Metric Mechanic or Miller or another tuner did this you would've immediately told everyone that they have never dyno'd the product and that their #s were false and optimistic.
I'm not barking at any tree...I don't even own a 745. I don't know a thing about turbos. I'm just commenting on how you are doing your own pet peeve.
Posted: May 09, 2007 5:26 PM
by altus22
The numbers that Todd stated were based on gasoline combustion math and the turbo compressor map.
Posted: May 09, 2007 5:50 PM
by turbodan
I would be almost suprised if the 745 made similar power with the same wheel with the stock m106 turbine, manifold and exhaust.
Posted: May 09, 2007 5:54 PM
by Boru
I think the more important thing to note... Todd DID NOT quote any performance numbers, therefore, there are no claims to back up.
This is simply a remanufactured K27 with a new compressor wheel which is proven to support greater power than the K27 compressor wheel.
Posted: May 09, 2007 6:17 PM
by vance
Sweeney wrote:I think the more important thing to note... Todd DID NOT quote any performance numbers, therefore, there are no claims to back up.
This is simply a remanufactured K27 with a new compressor wheel which is proven to support greater power than the K27 compressor wheel.
I think where the confusion is coming from is here:
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=31646
where Todd stated "Yep. Hoping to build a k27 with a Garrett 60 trim wheel good for 480rwhp." I believed he was referring to the fact that a Garrett 60 trim wheel was good for 480rwhp not that the k27-60 would be able to do that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Vance
Posted: May 09, 2007 6:26 PM
by Boru
Skip was confused or simply didn't comprehend. There is big difference between saying "hoping to..." and proclaiming a specific performance figure will be achieved.