My New TCD Motor

[Mike-TurboE24]

Not a very exciting pic, but it keeps a smile on my face. I'm just about ready to drop it back in the car.

Then comes the new dash banner... "Don't do anything STUPID....again."

[Nebraska_e28]

Looks good man! I cant wait till I get the $$ saved up for this setup...

[Mike-TurboE24]

FINALLY!! Woo! Hoo!!

I idled in the garage and drove 2 blocks very carefull to get everything warmed up. Nothing is leaking, a change from my old motor! No boost yet. Still have to put in the fuel pump (and put the hood back on.)

So it's official. The first TCD S1 E24.........I'll post pics tomorrow nite.

Mike

[bimmerboy]

nicee. what turbo you runnin? And how much boost, unintercooled?

[C.J.]

Congratulations Mike, now get that valve cover cleaned, STAT!

[Mike-TurboE24]

nicee. what turbo you runnin? And how much boost, unintercooled?

T04E (I'd have to ask Todd for the details), 8-9 psi, no intercooler. When my clutch gives out, I'll replace with something to handle more boost, then get the intercooler and upgrade the wastegate spring.

Might look into TCS, I heard it's "da bomb."

Congratulations Mike, now get that valve cover cleaned, STAT!

What! It'll just get dirty again.

Mike

[M635CSi]

FINALLY!! Woo! Hoo!!

I idled in the garage and drove 2 blocks very carefull to get everything warmed up. Nothing is leaking, a change from my old motor! No boost yet. Still have to put in the fuel pump (and put the hood back on.)

So it's official. The first TCD S1 E24.........I'll post pics tomorrow nite.

Mike

Congratulations! I look forward to seeing the pictures; post many!

[Mike-TurboE24]

recap: 1986 635 CSi, 5-spd, M30B34 block, M30B35 head, ARP studs, MLS gasket, TCD S1, 255lph fuel pump, TCD exhaust, ceramic coated manifold and downpipe, powdercoated motor mounts and brackets

needs tuned, but runs OK at 9 psi. I'm just happy to drive again!

[Duke]

Congrats! How are you going to tune it?

[Mike-TurboE24]

Congrats! How are you going to tune it?

I'm going to try to get with Todd soon and maybe visit a dyno as well. I know very little about what is required to tune, hence the new motor...

[T_C_D]

Take it easy, I would not even do 9 psi, until you get a base tune. You going with a stand alone or chip. Not much real time, if any, tuning can be done with a chip. That is, unless you are burning chips at the dyno.

Duke,

I would appreciate it you would refrain from commenting about our product since you are clearly ignorant about how it works.

Mike is running 7.4 CR. 9psi is barely boosted for that motor. He has a MLS and studs. The chip is conservative for that setup and is safe for upwards of 15psi non intercooled easily.

This is the same setup that both Kyle and Greg are succesfully running and that Jeremy had been running for at least 3 years.

A standalone is not necessary to achieve great drivability, big HP and a very fast e28 as has been proven many times.

I am trying to stay away from your posts but you make it impossible when you post total misinformation!

Todd

[T_C_D]

Yea, I know nothing about your product either.

Which is exactly why I am begging you to stop giving "advice" to my customers expecially when they do NOT ask for it!

[Mike-TurboE24]

Well Todd, he did not post any of that information, now did he? Thank you for posting it.

Uh, yeah I did. B34 block, B35 head, TCD S1. Might not be in the same words, but the info was there. I also have 30 lb injectors. I did not know the exact CR but with that H/W configuration I thought CR was pretty common knowledge.

[Duke]

Uh, yeah I did. B34 block, B35 head, TCD S1. Might not be in the same words, but the info was there. I also have 30 lb injectors. I did not know the exact CR but that H/W configuration CR was pretty common knowledge, I thought.

Well, there you go Mike. You have a TCD chip and do not need anymore tuning. Go beat the hell out of it. We can all assume now that TCD S1 includes chip.

Again, congratulations. It will be lots of fun for you. Welcome to the turbo club.

[Mike-TurboE24]

Well, there you go Mike. You have a TCD chip and do not need anymore tuning. Go beat the hell out of it. We can all assume now that TCD S1 includes chip.

Again, congratulations. It will be lots of fun for you. Welcome to the turbo club.

Why thank you Mr. Duke. I'm glad to be back.

[DMNaskale]

A bunch of stuff ragging Duke about pissing off Todd that has since been edited out as though it never happened but since I wrote a post responding to it I am going to post it anyway.

So let me get this straight. The original poster is happy about his new engine, and says he blew up his old engine because he did something stupid, and infers that it needed a proper tune. He also says that his new engine needs a tune and he admits to not knowing how to tune it, and that he is running 9psi on it. Duke comments on the danger of running boost on a poor tune, the importance of a good tune, and inquires into how he is tuning it, and mentions a couple of options. And instead of saying, “Hey Duke, he has a TCD chip that is ideal for his setup, the tune is covered”, Todd tells Duke that he is ignorant and unleashes an angry emoticon on him. Duke was restrained in his response to being harshly and unfairly called out.
And you think Duke started it?
I am sick of seeing this stuff, too, and I have rolled my eyes plenty of times over things that Duke has posted. But with Duke it is all fun and I believe he genuinely means well. I don’t know why Todd jumped on him, there is no reason to take the thread down that path when there is a much less divisive path to explore first. Obviously there is some genuine animosity at work here. It needs to be kept under control, there is plenty of room here for everybody. I have had the pleasure of meeting both sides of this conflict, this makes it hard for me to watch these threads implode. I do not enjoy seeing this pissing contest become a public spectacle. Can we just keep our bile and hatred seething under the surface instead of poisoning the board with it?

[Nebraska_e28]

amen!

[T_C_D]

A bunch of stuff ragging Duke about pissing off Todd that has since been edited out as though it never happened but since I wrote a post responding to it I am going to post it anyway.

So let me get this straight. The original poster is happy about his new engine, and says he blew up his old engine because he did something stupid, and infers that it needed a proper tune. He also says that his new engine needs a tune and he admits to not knowing how to tune it, and that he is running 9psi on it. Duke comments on the danger of running boost on a poor tune, the importance of a good tune, and inquires into how he is tuning it, and mentions a couple of options. And instead of saying, “Hey Duke, he has a TCD chip that is ideal for his setup, the tune is covered”, Todd tells Duke that he is ignorant and unleashes an angry emoticon on him. Duke was restrained in his response to being harshly and unfairly called out.
And you think Duke started it?
I am sick of seeing this stuff, too, and I have rolled my eyes plenty of times over things that Duke has posted. But with Duke it is all fun and I believe he genuinely means well. I don’t know why Todd jumped on him, there is no reason to take the thread down that path when there is a much less divisive path to explore first. Obviously there is some genuine animosity at work here. It needs to be kept under control, there is plenty of room here for everybody. I have had the pleasure of meeting both sides of this conflict, this makes it hard for me to watch these threads implode. I do not enjoy seeing this pissing contest become a public spectacle. Can we just keep our bile and hatred seething under the surface instead of poisoning the board with it?

You got it all wrong because you cannot see all the stupid stuff that Duke posted.

This is the reason I have not posted for several days.

I am done here. Duke can go on posting his perception of reality and I'll just leave it up to the readers to decify facts from fantasy.

Duke has genuinely ruined this forum for me.

Time to move on.

[Duke]

You got it all wrong because you cannot see all the stupid stuff that Duke posted.

Per Shawn D's request, I had him delete some stuff in this thread. None of it was stupid, most of is still there in others posts quotes. Shawn was going to ask Todd to delete his also, obviously he did not or Todd refused.

I am done here. Time to move on.

See ya.

For all of you to know. I had a PM conversation with Todd last week where I told him that I forgave all of the crap between us no matter who’s fault. I told him I wanted a clean slate between us. I still am holding to my word on that. Looks like I am the only one. Now who is the adult and who is not?

[Nebraska_e28]

WOT, I don't know who pissed in whose Wheaties but there has to be a way to start with a clean bowl? I'd even be willing to step up to the plate to help facilitate this both parties willing. >>back to thread<<

[Shawn D.]

A bunch of stuff ragging Duke about pissing off Todd that has since been edited out as though it never happened but since I wrote a post responding to it I am going to post it anyway.

Well, that's hardly a quote, is it? There wasn't a "bunch of stuff" ragging Duke, and I wasn't trying to pretend it never happened. I also didn't see any sort of post you wrote responding to my post -- did you delete it? Otherwise, the only post it could be was the one I quoted the above from, making a self-referential feedback loop to itself.

Note that I didn't say anything on the order of "As a Beamter..." and then issue some decree. I made a post as a member -- when folks see something they don't like come from someone who happens to be a Beamter, they fixate on that and imply some sort of abuse of power. After Duke and I went back and forth via PM, I volunteered to delete my post and requested the same of Duke and Todd. Was that a problem?

Not only am I sick and tired of these pissing matches between Duke and Todd, I'm sick and tired of the dozens of folks PMing me to do "something" about it. DO WHAT? I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't, and nobody is ever happy about what I do (this one time) or do not do (every other time) with regard to this. Other Beamters are getting crapped on about this as well. Just what do Y'all expect us to do or not do? Well, let's hear it, and not via PM! If you have a solution, state it -- otherwise, I don't care to be PMed any more with a request to do anything about this melodrama.

[M635CSi]

Just what do Y'all expect us to do or not do? Well, let's hear it, and not via PM! If you have a solution, state it -- otherwise, I don't care to be PMed any more with a request to do anything about this melodrama.

While I don't have many "expectations", I do hope Y'all Beamters keep on doing what you have been doing; maintaining the board without much intervention, editing or deleting of posts. Removal of posts and threads is a sensitive issue with me but I am aware this is not "my" board. So, within reason, whatever the Beamters do is their prerogative. Few things in life and few relationships are perfect but if this forum wasn't pretty good, I wouldn't spend the time reading and responding to postings here.

Other than that, we all have to learn our own lessons in life which means we can't learn the lesson for another. Some are quicker and some are slicker and some are thicker but most people do learn given the opportunity and sufficient pain; when the pain is enough, people do change...

[Duke]

WOT, I don't know who pissed in whose Wheaties but there has to be a way to start with a clean bowl? I'd even be willing to step up to the plate to help facilitate this both parties willing. >>back to thread<<

It has been done................from the post above - "For all of you to know. I had a PM conversation with Todd last week where I told him that I forgave all of the crap between us no matter who’s fault. I told him I wanted a clean slate between us. I still am holding to my word on that. Looks like I am the only one. Now who is the adult and who is not?"

Both parties are not willing. Todd will be missed but not by me.

[DMNaskale]

A bunch of stuff ragging Duke about pissing off Todd that has since been edited out as though it never happened but since I wrote a post responding to it I am going to post it anyway.

Well, that's hardly a quote, is it? There wasn't a "bunch of stuff" ragging Duke, and I wasn't trying to pretend it never happened. I also didn't see any sort of post you wrote responding to my post -- did you delete it? Otherwise, the only post it could be was the one I quoted the above from, making a self-referential feedback loop to itself.

It is hardly a quote because there was nothing left to quote. I read the thread and your post was there, criticizing Duke for picking a fight with Todd. I interpreted the conflict quite differently, and I composed a reply. While I was composing my post, you must have been deleting yours. But since I was inspired enough to write the damned thing, I was sure as hell going to post it. I was slightly wound up for a few minutes there. I composed my post in Outlook, I don’t like the little window the board software provides. I went back to the board to quote your post and it was deleted but since I wrote my post in response to yours, I had to quote something. I have never deleted a post, I didn’t even know that was an option. I have also never edited a post for anything other than spelling mistakes or to add information. If I post in response to something, I have to base it on what was there when I read the thread. If people are constantly editing and deleting posts, I have no control over that. I had no way of knowing what was going on behind the scenes, the conflict was a painfully public one.

Note that I didn't say anything on the order of "As a Beamter..." and then issue some decree. I made a post as a member -- when folks see something they don't like come from someone who happens to be a Beamter, they fixate on that and imply some sort of abuse of power. After Duke and I went back and forth via PM, I volunteered to delete my post and requested the same of Duke and Todd. Was that a problem?

I fully support the Beamters and I think you all do an excellent job. I have never had any reason to criticize the action of any of the Beamters. I have never seen anything I would call an abuse of power. I believe you all strive to do whatever you think is in the best interest of the board.

Not only am I sick and tired of these pissing matches between Duke and Todd, I'm sick and tired of the dozens of folks PMing me to do "something" about it. DO WHAT? I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't, and nobody is ever happy about what I do (this one time) or do not do (every other time) with regard to this. Other Beamters are getting crapped on about this as well. Just what do Y'all expect us to do or not do? Well, let's hear it, and not via PM! If you have a solution, state it -- otherwise, I don't care to be PMed any more with a request to do anything about this melodrama.

I have never PMed a Beamter with any kind of request to take any action in regulating the board. I fully believe it should be self regulated and the Beamters should mainly have to deal with administrative tasks. I think people should treat each other with the same respect they would face to face and I strive to do that myself. I know things can rapidly get out of hand in a forum like this. Without the normal feedback one gets in a spirited conversation, it requires some unnatural constraint to stay civil sometimes. The ugliness sometimes gets to the point where I can’t resist the urge to chime in. I am glad this forum is important enough to me that I do that, and that is why it sucks when things get ugly. Todd is an important part of this board, I hope he doesn’t remove himself. But if he is so upset about the situation that he can’t separate his anger from his actions, then maybe he should take a break.

[Tammer in Philly]

... making a self-referential feedback loop to itself.

<snip>

Just what do Y'all expect us to do or not do?

Eliminating redundancy would be a good place to start. ;-)

tammer <--needed some levity; besides a Shawn D. slip-up is rare

[Jeremy]

Removal of posts and threads is a sensitive issue with me but I am aware this is not "my" board. So, within reason, whatever the Beamters do is their prerogative.

Please note that posts aren't removed by "our perogative". They are only removed at the request of, or at the very least with the consent of, those whose posts are affected except in extraordinarily rare circumstances.

Jeremy

[Shawn D.]

M635CSi,

Thanks -- I'm sure the other Beamters appreciate that sentiment as much as I do.

Daryl,

Thanks for that response -- I see where you were coming from now. I often use the "offline" technique myself and come back to find a different thread than what I thought I was going to post to.

Us Beamters have had (and continue to have) many discussions amongst ourselves about our roles here. I know that you haven't PMed me about it, but many other folks have.

... making a self-referential feedback loop to itself.

<snip>

Just what do Y'all expect us to do or not do?

Eliminating redundancy would be a good place to start.

tammer <--needed some levity; besides a Shawn D. slip-up is rare

Hahahaha... thanks!

-Shawn

[vance]

I appreciate very much what the Beamters do for this board, but I don't envy them at all. Maybe everyone shold reread this: http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=17465

Just like a lot of civil servants, damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Vance

[guano]

cept when the good ole boys are bein' good ole boys and making some racial dialect the funniest thing ever...

Removal of posts and threads is a sensitive issue with me but I am aware this is not "my" board. So, within reason, whatever the Beamters do is their prerogative.

Please note that posts aren't removed by "our perogative". They are only removed at the request of, or at the very least with the consent of, those whose posts are affected except in extraordinarily rare circumstances.

Jeremy

[vance]

cept when the good ole boys are bein' good ole boys and making some racial dialect the funniest thing ever...

Removal of posts and threads is a sensitive issue with me but I am aware this is not "my" board. So, within reason, whatever the Beamters do is their prerogative.

Please note that posts aren't removed by "our perogative". They are only removed at the request of, or at the very least with the consent of, those whose posts are affected except in extraordinarily rare circumstances.

Jeremy

And bat shit rears his head once again.

Vance