turbocharge a 528e with a 524td turbo parts?

[bimmerboy88]

so i just heard that its possible. but what parts do you need from the 524td to make a pretty good set up?

[JoshInAtlanta]

I'd assume the manifold and turbo as a start... not sure what else.

[bimmerboy88]

yeah manifold and turbo. any other other parts?

[Kyle in NO]

Plenty of them. You should research turbocharging before trying to do it with a setup designed for a low RPM diesel engine. Certainly not optimal, even for the original diesel motor...turbo is too small to do much good.

[tsmall07]

Plenty of them. You should research turbocharging before trying to do it with a setup designed for a low RPM diesel engine. Certainly not optimal, even for the original diesel motor...turbo is too small to do much good.

I agree with that. I drove that td for about 8 hours total. I heard the turbo spool up, but I never really felt much from it. The coolant system was fine for the first 7 hours I drove it, so it didn't have to do with that.

[bimmerboy88]

but ETAs are low RPM engines. parts?

[jgoodwill]

but ETAs are low RPM engines. parts?

Now that we all have a handle on that fact.... why would you bother with putting a turbo on it??? It'll still be a fookin' lunker.

[skip535i]

but ETAs are low RPM engines. parts?

Now that we all have a handle on that fact.... why would you bother with putting a turbo on it??? It'll still be a fookin' lunker.

that's the BEST use of "fookin'" I've EVER heard

[bimmerboy88]

ok it will be a fookin luncker with a turbo 8) . anyone with parts?

[Joe in FL]

Turbos and i heads wake the 2.7 right up! The torque is awesome.

That being said, the turbo from the 524td is totally inadequate for a 2.7. The manifold is ok, and is probably worth the price if you realize you're not going to be making sick power with it.

The manifold is really the only usable 524td part that you'd need. They pop up on eBay once in a while. You'll have to modify it a bit with a die grinder. Everything else would have to be sourced elsewhere.

[bimmerboy88]

thanks for the info. but i want to know if its possible to make a turbo eta using parts from a 524td.

[turbodan]

The 50 trim td turbo would work on an eta turbo car. You could expect massive torque too. The manifold works for me on my 2.7i. I ported the living hell out of it, but thats no biggie. I bet I'm making 260-280 RWHP with the GT2871R. I bet its good for 300 with a little more boost. A whole lot of guys will tell you its good for nothing, but I'm doing just fine with mine. We'll see how it does next time its on the dyno.

Other than the manifold and turbo, there isn't a whole lot you can use. I wouldn't even use the turbo. Its not like T3's are hard to come by. And a 60 trim would work great. You will have to fabricate the exhaust, chargepipes, oil feed and return taps and things like that. Then you would have to install some sort of fuel enrichment system like a RRFPR. Turbocharging is no slap together kind of thing unless you buy a kit. A home made system takes some balls, my friend.

[bimmerboy88]

turbodan, did you use 524td parts? i mean i want to know if you can have a fuctional turbo system from parts off a 524td/

[altus22]

YES. He used the td manifold, as he said. It sounds like everything else, including the turbo, he bought or made seperately.
You should read through the many threads on the FI forum and pick up the book "Maximum Boost".

[Shawn D.]

The manifold works for me on my 2.7i. I ported the living hell out of it, but thats no biggie.

Other than the manifold and turbo, there isn't a whole lot you can use.

turbodan, did you use 524td parts? i mean i want to know if you can have a fuctional turbo system from parts off a 524td/

No, he said he's using Mercedes OM617 parts.

[turbodan]

The 524td did not have a GT2871R. In your case, that probably wouldn't even fit, unless you have an e34 524td manifold. I didn't use the stock 524td turbo because I wasn't going to do all tha work on a basically limited platform. The T3 50 trim compressor will work fine on a stock eta engine. Thats only half of the turbo. The 524td has a .36 AR turbine and pitifully small wheel. As a whole turbo, its not much good. Like I said, T3's aren't hard to come by. You can get a Garrett T3 60 trim compressor and a .63 AR internally wastegated turbine almost anywhere. Thats one of the most common compressors out there.

If you're asking if you can take everything you need to turbocharge a 528e from a 524td, then no. That'd be a stupid question. You should be giddy just to have a manifold that you can make work. That alone is awesome. If you want a kit, save up and buy one. If you want to do it yourself, you need to man up and get to work.

[Duke]

If you want to do it yourself, you need to man up and get to work.

Thats pretty gay.

[turbodan]

If you want to do it yourself, you need to man up and get to work.

Thats pretty gay.

From a guy that pays someone else to build his motors, and uses someone elses turbo kit?

Thats really gay.

[robeyff]

Heeeeeeyyyyyy - I'm prob. going to eventually have one of these M30s freshened up and buy a TCD kit for it - I don't FEEL gay

Seriously, y'all have a TON of experience between you with turbos - yeah, none of my business, just hate to see two of our MyE28 "Scoutmasters" trading punches.

[turbodan]

but he started it

[Duke]

From a guy that pays someone else to build his motors, and uses someone elses turbo kit?

Yea.....................right; says the man without a clue. Lets see a picture or two of your engine compartment Dan.

As the second person (excluding the TCD developers) to cobble together a home made turbo system, you sure are passing crap to every one else who has TCD or BMW turbo equipment installed on their car.

From Dans first post - The latest project started as a 1988 528e. Produced in 4/87, it was a factory super eta, with the fancy harness and pistons and a good three years less use than my last car. The engine and automatic transmission came out right away. The engine got a down to the block rebuild, and was reinstalled with the manual trans from my old car. The goal was a 250 or 300 hp turbo engine, so it was all stock except for the basic e to i conversion, with a new 325i cam and valvetrain and the 325i intake.

For the turbo setup it got an e34 524td non egr manifold. This required significant modification just to fit over the m20 head studs, and it got some more grinding to open up the insides to better suit its new application. This particular manifold has a T25 flange, so I chose a Garrett GT2560R watercooled, ball bearing turbo. At my altitude and assuming some general engine specifications, its good for over 300 hp at the highest boost levels and is well clear from the surge in absolutely all conditions. That just happens to be the same turbo the Nissan S15 Skyline comes with, so they're also very easy to come by.

So Dan had his block rebuilt and uses BMW turbo parts for his car. Dan, you really need to STFU about other people building engines and using others turbo kits for that is what you have done.

Keep up the great attitude and comments Dan-O, I am sure all of us "someone elses turbo kit" guys will really be interested in what you are doing.

No crap - let’s see some pictures of your engine compartment. I am interested in your level of craftsmanship.

Everyone who was at 5er Fest and saw my car knows that in person, I am a humble guy and let the car speak for itself............I really don't like calling anyone out when it comes to quality of work but Dan has turned into a real A-hole lately.



BTW - the "Thats really gay" comment was from your same "Thats really gay" comment you made on another thread in reference to powersnipe. It was a humorous comment and you are to thick to have figured it out.

[bmw4aaron]

If you want to do it yourself, you need to man up and get to work.

Thats pretty gay.

From a guy that pays someone else to build his motors, and uses someone elses turbo kit?

Thats really gay.

[turbodan]

From a guy that pays someone else to build his motors, and uses someone elses turbo kit?

Yea.....................right; says the man without a clue. Lets see a picture or two of your engine compartment Dan.

As the second person (excluding the TCD developers) to build a home made turbo system, you sure are passing crap to every one else who has TCD or BMW turbo equipment installed on their car.

So how did you do all of that machine work on your engine? You bored your own cylinders, balanced your crank, weight matched your rods and piston...etc....etc.? You then completely assembled the engine.......oh yea, did you not say that your bottom end is stock? I guess you "built" your engine by R&Ring the cylinder head. Guess what; I have done that and much more. Unlike you, this is not my first experience with engines. Excuse me for not having a full machine shop in my garage, like you do .

Keep up the great attitude and comments Dan-O, I am sure all of us "someone elses turbo kit" guys will really be interested in what you are doing.

BTW - the "Thats really gay" comment was from your same "Thats really gay" comment you made on another thread in reference to powersnipe. It was a humorous comment and you are to thick to have figured it out.

No crap - let’s see some pictures of your kit and engine compartment. I am interested in your level of craftsmanship.

Everyone who was at 5er Fest and saw my car knows that in person, I am a humble guy and let the car speak for itself............I really don't like calling anyone out when it comes to quality of work but Dan has turned into a real A-hole lately.

The bottom end isn't stock from the factory, it was rebuilt with new stock parts. I had the block on a rotisserie-style stand for about a week. I cleaned it and honed the cylinders, because thats all it needed. I used the crank that came with the car with new main and rod bearings, new rod bushings, rings, a new oil pump and pressure valve. The head was modified to oil a seven bearing cam, and dual springs were installed with new hardware and valve seals. I hand lapped the valves, which also came out of the 235k 88 528e motor I started with. They looked fine, so I kept them too. I had done the head assembly previously, so it was a bolt on deal when the block was ready. I didn't balance the crank or weight match the components because it was unnecessary. I bet you didnt go through your transmission and index every single component either. The need was not evident to me. So far, it looks like its turning out alright.

This engine went in with a manual transmission to replace the auto box that came out. So the car got the necessary preparation while the engine and trans were out, including the clutch hydraulic and shifter console bracket installation. The engine went in in about a half hour. I thought it would be easier to install the engine and tranny separate, and it worked out very very well. In conjunction with the driveline transplant it got a new BMW driveshaft and a different diff.

As far as previous experience with engines, I'd say the last ten years I've spent on japanese motocross bikes counts a little. I've done my own tuning, engine work and rebuilds ever since I've needed to. Sure, they don't have valves or cams, but you dont get to tune them with o2 sensors and datalogs either.

So in conjunction with the complete interior replacement, I'd say I did a little more than "I guess you "built" your engine by R&Ring the cylinder head". It got a complete rebuild, a cam and a manual transmission. The best example of my "craftsmanship" would have to be the chargepipes and exhaust, which I bought as eight mandrel "U" bends and two sections of straight pipe. The downpipe to turbine discharge work is particularly neat, if I may say so myself. If I ever take the insulation wrap off, I'll take some pictures.

I wouldn't say I'm bashing anyone with a TCD or any other kind of kit. They're all better than my home made system. But thats just not very interesting. Nor is it particularly challenging. I wouldn't be very excited to pop the hood and show off someone elses craftsmanship. To do it yourself is worth some extra credit to me. It also proves a certain level of understanding and ability of turbocharging and fabrication in general.

And I did realize that your remark was in response to mine about your ebay bidding method. I didn't find it particularly humorous or playful. Thats not to say I'm offended, but it seemed like you were looking for a pissing match. If thats the case, I'm always good for it.

[turbodan]

Wow, Duke. By the time I replied you have already edited your post 14 times. Flustered?

I see you added quotes from my first post. Tell me if I'm wrong, but the way I read it it seemed like you were trying to say that I had this work done for me. I described these modifications in the third person because I liked the way it reads. To clarify, I did all of the work, including removing and installing the engine and transmission myself without using beer or a shop lift. I stripped the engine down to the bare engine block. Nothing but the casting. I scrubbed the mo fo with gunk foamy and cleaned it like a surgeon would clean an artificial heart before implantation.

Then I mounted it on my new rotisserie style engine stand and got to work. I made sure every single gasket and every single component was installed correctly. So far, it doesn't leak or seep a drop of oil. After ~15k, it would have by now it if were going to.

After all the machine work and balancing and matching you did and I didnt do, shouldn't your engine be exceptionally smooth and reliable and mine spectacularly blown apart?

[Jeremy]

No crap - let’s see some pictures of your engine compartment. I am interested in your level of craftsmanship.

Everyone who was at 5er Fest and saw my car knows that in person, I am a humble guy and let the car speak for itself............I really don't like calling anyone out when it comes to quality of work but Dan has turned into a real A-hole lately.

Well, we're not in person here, we're on a forum, and on this forum today, you're being a prick bastard.

Dan came here to tell what's possible with a home brewed turbo kit. Yes, it is home brewed. The only "BMW parts" he used were the manifold (which he modified and ported), and an i coverted eta m20 (which he rebuilt himself).

That leaves all charge plumbing, intercooler, complete exhaust, turbo, fuel trim and tuning all up to him and his own devices. He didn't use any kind of kit for those. Sure, your setup is gorgeous, Duke, but your own "craftmanship" had little to do with it. Do you even know how to weld? Besides which, it doesn't need to be pretty to work. My car looks like shit, but it's a genuine "rat rod". Nothing wrong with a little ugliness.

Dan's a nice enough forum member, except when everybody seems to delight in tearing him and his car apart. Duke, you don't seem to appreciate the continuous pot shots at your own track record with your turbo project, so why go out of your way to create grief for Dan?

BTW - the "Thats really gay" comment was from your same "Thats really gay" comment you made on another thread in reference to powersnipe. It was a humorous comment and you are to thick to have figured it out.

I fail to see what anyone's sexuality has to do with this conversation at all.

Jeremy

[Ben]

My $0.02

[filmy]

A pissing contest is one thing. But pissing on the leg of the guy next to you is a whole 'nother thing. C'mon, zip it up, guys. We all have the capacity to state our opinions and what's good about our stuff, or the stuff we believe in, but we don't need to take shots at the other guy's stuff or opinions.

We're better people than this.

[Duke]

Turbodan started it.

And Jeremy, I know how to stick, MIG and TIG weld. I have been restoring cars since 1994 and have won multiple awards for them. I know lots of stuff.

[turbodan]

Turbodan started it.

Nuh uh.

[Duke]

Turbodan started it.

Nuh uh.

Uhhhhh haaaaaa!