What states don't require title to register a vehicle (help)

[tsmall07]

As most of you know, I am getting a military truck and it doesn't come with a title. I can apply for an SF-97 form which will make me able to title it, but I hear those can take 2-3 months to be processed. An easier option would be for me to "sell" the truck to someone and have them get a title with just a bill of sale and then have them "sell" it back to me. Is anyone willing to help me out here? I could give some $ for your time (I just don't want to pay $200 for a title service).

Let me know if anyone is willing to help!

[w0014170]

As most of you know, I am getting a military truck and it doesn't come with a title. I can apply for an SF-97 form which will make me able to title it, but I hear those can take 2-3 months to be processed. An easier option would be for me to "sell" the truck to someone and have them get a title with just a bill of sale and then have them "sell" it back to me. Is anyone willing to help me out here? I could give some $ for your time (I just don't want to pay $200 for a title service).

Let me know if anyone is willing to help!

Alabama, Georgia if the vehicle is older than 30 years.
I registered my Jag in Georgia, handed the title to them, they handed it back, took $35.00 and handed me a plate.

Alabama did the same on my 63 Karman Ghia. Both cars remain titled in Louisiana & registerd in AL & GA.

Friends have bought ex-military tactical trucks and found it easier to register after a "road worthy inspection report" performed by the State Police or the DMV.

I was looking at a Gama Goat (M-561) with my brother for use on his 500 acres in Florida. If we do this, I let you know how it goes. He had a 6X6 2.5 ton cargo in high school he bought through written bid for $150.00, that puppie was the shit in high school. The "pig" as it was refered to was found on the beach, in the woods on the military reservation, anywhere the party was to happen the pig was onhand, never got stuck, never got stopped by the cops, never broke & clean up was a fire hose away.

[wkohler]

I don't think it has to be older than 30 years. Josh registered his Euro E28 on a Bill of Sale, then later got the title.

[Shawn D.]

I don't think it has to be older than 30 years. Josh registered his Euro E28 on a Bill of Sale, then later got the title.

He was probably able to do it 'cause he didn't have to deal with an urban tag office.

[w0014170]

I don't think it has to be older than 30 years. Josh registered his Euro E28 on a Bill of Sale, then later got the title.

What I should have said was when I did the registration, the 30 yr mark allowes the owner to register on a bill of sale without having to title the car in either of these two states.
The titles are no longer required and transfers are quite legal on a "napkin" if notorized.

[tsmall07]

So does someone in GA want to help me out? I guess I'll ask Josh since he doesn't have to deal with the Urban whatever.

[JoshInAtlanta]

I actually think it is 20 years. The only problem is registering the vehicle without insurance. I usually have to take a print out from my insurance company proving it is insured before they will give me a registration.

Edit: I just looked on the state website... 1985 or older vehicles do not require a title to register. 1986 and up DO require a title. They can be issued, but it is a grueling process and does involve some cash.

[JoshInAtlanta]

Wait a minute. I confused myself. As Doug said, once a car is eligible to register without a title, it no longer needs a title. If I register it here, they will not issue a title. All you need for proof is a Bill of Sale. So... if I "buy" it from you, I can register it, but they will never give me a title.

When I got my 535i (the one Chris mentioned), I heard I could "sell" it someone in a state such as Alabama, where they would reissue a title.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Georgia is the place to do this.

[tsmall07]

crap

[tsmall07]

Does anyone live in Alabama? I think it will work in Maine as well.

How does anyone from another state buy an older car in GA if no title is issued?

[Shawn D.]

How does anyone from another state buy an older car in GA if no title is issued?

The registration has a bill of sale on the back of it.

[tsmall07]

So will it still work through georgia?

[Shawn D.]

http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/

http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/motor/regi ... ements.asp

[stuartinmn]

Have you checked with the DMV to find out actually how long it takes to process the application for title, or is this just what someone told you? Does the truck have to stay off the road until the processing is complete, or can you get plates when the paperwork is filed? I'd find these things out first, before you spend a bunch of money and time doing a bunch of stuff you don't have to do.

Whenever I've gone through this sort of thing, I walk out of the DMV with license plates in hand and I'm ready to go. They give me a receipt that shows the title work is in process, and that's good until the actual title comes in the mail. Certainly, the process is different for each state but I'd make a phone call first.

[w0014170]

Wait a minute. I confused myself. As Doug said, once a car is eligible to register without a title, it no longer needs a title. If I register it here, they will not issue a title. All you need for proof is a Bill of Sale. So... if I "buy" it from you, I can register it, but they will never give me a title.

When I got my 535i (the one Chris mentioned), I heard I could "sell" it someone in a state such as Alabama, where they would reissue a title.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Georgia is the place to do this.

The misconception about Alabama is a "proper bill of sale" meaning notorized by an Alabama notory as well as a physical address in the county you register the car, again proof is necessary like a voter registration card or physical address utility bills with your name on the bill. Additionally you sign an affidavit stating you are not registering a vehicle in Alabama under false pretenses. Alabama stays on top of this, or use to.

Back in the day, Boaz, Alabama was the "chop shop capital of the world" you could ""wash titles of salvage, totals, floods, liens you name it. That stopped after 1986 when the State Police shut the auctions down.

There is another problem as well and that's with insurance, doing this now constitutes fraud. Most if not all insurance underwriters require the insurance to be in the state of residence and auto registration. Can't have a Alabama registration, insurance in Virginia & a drivers license in Georgia. If this is done, you have violated state law (3 states) and the insurance carrier is not liable in the event of a claim. When this occurs the police add additional charges of "driving w/o proper insurance, improper registration" to the mix, no Alabama drivers license, and on, and on, and on.

And regardless of where you attempt this, many states now operate what is called "an impact fee" upon the registration of this type. While all of the states that charge this fee have been told it constitutes a tax and is therefore "unconstitutional" to collect, they do it anyway. Last time I checked in Florida the state had still not returned 10 or so years worth of this collection which amounted to nearly 1 billion dollars.
Louisiana tried charging this by weight, cars owners would pay an additional $800-1500 based upon the weight they had on file. Louisiana has never returned any of this money though the charge was dropped some years ago.

My point is, to do this now is expensive and fraudulent, I find it easier to drive around look for someone that can help you do it in a legal fashion, bite the bullit and stay legal. In the long run it's cheaper and easier on the mind. IMO> 8)

[wkohler]

Here, I walk out with a title and a license plate. All I have to do is wait in line, get as many communicable diseases as possible, pay a fee and I'm done.

[Ted in T.O.]

Look into Tennessee's rules on registration. Someone i know has their car reg'd in Tenn and lives in Penn.

[mkarkos]

Here in RI you can register a vehicle over ten years old without a title. You do have to bring it to your local police station to verify the VIN and that it not a stolen vehicle. If you sell the vehicle to some living in state theat requires a title they will issue a letter stating that they don't issue titles on vehicles over ten years old.


See if your DMV will except this letter and I might be able to help you out.

Mike

[m-racer]

As most of you know, I am getting a military truck and it doesn't come with a title. I can apply for an SF-97 form which will make me able to title it, but I hear those can take 2-3 months to be processed. An easier option would be for me to "sell" the truck to someone and have them get a title with just a bill of sale and then have them "sell" it back to me. Is anyone willing to help me out here? I could give some $ for your time (I just don't want to pay $200 for a title service).

Let me know if anyone is willing to help!

With all respect, why would you not just go through the necessary legal steps in your state rather than hatch some type of scheme which could possibly be construed as fraud? Why involve fellow board members and potentially put them at risk? And, why would you post this on a public board? If you knew the issue when you bought the vehicle, then go through the required legal steps to title your vehicle in your state.

[tsmall07]

There is nothing illegal about what I'm trying to do. I'll pay all taxes and fees associated with the transactions. I have a few options and this one is second in line. I'm trying to get a title through some other paper work now, but I'm not confident it will work. Sometimes you have to massage the system to get it to give you what you want.

[tsmall07]

See if your DMV will except this letter and I might be able to help you out.

Mike

Thanks for the offer, but I'm trying to get it titled before I pick it up so that I don't have to get a 3 day permit to bring it back. I think I'm just going to apply for a Virginia title with this other paperwork and see how that goes.

[WVe28]

If you had the right documentation I could have a title for it in one day. You should have been given a form SF 97 with the vehicle to be able to title it. If you didn't get it, I'd call and see if one is available and if not, why? Otherwise, here I'd need a notorized copy of the vehicle listing stating that no title or SF97 is available along with a paid invoice.

[Shawn D.]

See if your DMV will except this letter...

Let's hope they don't except it. Rather, let's hope they accept it.

[tsmall07]

If you had the right documentation I could have a title for it in one day. You should have been given a form SF 97 with the vehicle to be able to title it. If you didn't get it, I'd call and see if one is available and if not, why? Otherwise, here I'd need a notorized copy of the vehicle listing stating that no title or SF97 is available along with a paid invoice.

SF-97 is available but, since Government Liquidation took over the auctions from DRMO, you have to apply for it after you pick up the vehicle and it can take 2 months. I'm not picking up the truck until the second week of march and I'd really like to have plates for it when I pick it up. If you think you can do anything, let me know.

[wkohler]

As most of you know, I am getting a military truck and it doesn't come with a title. I can apply for an SF-97 form which will make me able to title it, but I hear those can take 2-3 months to be processed. An easier option would be for me to "sell" the truck to someone and have them get a title with just a bill of sale and then have them "sell" it back to me. Is anyone willing to help me out here? I could give some $ for your time (I just don't want to pay $200 for a title service).

Let me know if anyone is willing to help!

With all respect, why would you not just go through the necessary legal steps in your state rather than hatch some type of scheme which could possibly be construed as fraud? Why involve fellow board members and potentially put them at risk? And, why would you post this on a public board? If you knew the issue when you bought the vehicle, then go through the required legal steps to title your vehicle in your state.

Mr. Jones, I think your comments would be better suited to this thread. This seems one heckuva lot more "above board" than that one.

[m-racer]

As most of you know, I am getting a military truck and it doesn't come with a title. I can apply for an SF-97 form which will make me able to title it, but I hear those can take 2-3 months to be processed. An easier option would be for me to "sell" the truck to someone and have them get a title with just a bill of sale and then have them "sell" it back to me. Is anyone willing to help me out here? I could give some $ for your time (I just don't want to pay $200 for a title service).

Let me know if anyone is willing to help!

With all respect, why would you not just go through the necessary legal steps in your state rather than hatch some type of scheme which could possibly be construed as fraud? Why involve fellow board members and potentially put them at risk? And, why would you post this on a public board? If you knew the issue when you bought the vehicle, then go through the required legal steps to title your vehicle in your state.

Mr. Jones, I think your comments would be better suited to this thread. This seems one heckuva lot more "above bard" than that one.

My opinion is that one should follow the laws of the state where they reside. Apply that however you like. Does "above bard" mean beyond the musings of Shakespeare?

[wkohler]

Does "above bard" mean beyond the musings of Shakespeare?

No, it doesn't. It was a typo.